I've noticed two trends that emerge on my blog.
Either I'm posting debates with someone with regards to Black Sabbath, or I'm posting Thin Lizzy videos and links. I much prefer the latter. This is why I respect the Thin Lizzy fans, Thin Lizzy had tons of lineup changes, and even toured without Phil Lynott. I know tons of people that don't like the "reformed" Thin Lizzy, but at least theirs an element of respect to what they do. I find it appalling that REAL lineups of Black Sabbath, successful and legitmate lineups even, don't get that respect. The double standard blows my mind.
Recently a YouTuber and member of the Black Sabbath fan forums named "thesithempire", decided to engage (or maybe enrage) me in a "debate" about the sanctity and legitmacy of the Black Sabbath name, particular when it involves lineups not including the original 4 members. I could get into the history of Black Sabbath, but that would be long and boring. Sabbath, like Lizzy, and like many other bands, have had tons of lineup changes, but kept the name and kept making new music. Maybe the music wasn't always the exact same style, but it was certainly a quality product, at least in my eyes.
Unlike some of my infamous YouTube debates with people. "Thesithempire" is actually a relatively good speaker, seems well informed, can use the english language, and is probably a decent guy. Yet, after this debate ended (I had to end it because he just got too annoying as you'll see in a minute) I came across feeling the same way I always feel after I have to ban someone from my account...like the fucker must be out of his mind. You're probably thinking how the hell can that be, especially since I actually praised his intellect before even bringing it up. Well, I'm going to post the convo. I'm interested in what you Sabbath fans have to say. Some may even agree with Sith's points, and that's fair. I personally even respect his opinion, but well...he got a little carried away...and I'll explain why I feel this way.
Mr. Sith started off with a reply to a comment I made months ago to another user saying that Black Sabbath didn't end in 1978 with the firing/leaving of Ozzy Osbourne. This is a fact. You might hate it but it's still a fact. It happened. His reply:
thesithempire @blacksabfan
"With all due respect, there are still many fans who believe that Black Sabbath finished in 1979, not because they hate Dio or the later albums (nor are they making statements about superiority), but because they define Black Sabbath as the unique synthesis of four men, Iommi, Butler, Ward and Osbourne, three of which have said in interviews that they agree, and the fourth, Iommi, who recently said (on his website) that Heaven and Hell have been playing for 30 thirty years. 1 day ago
blacksabfan (uploader) @thesithempire
Well there's what you believe, and there's the truth. Truth is, Black Sabbath existed in other entities besides the first one. I don't consider it any more unique or sacrosanct than any of the others, just different. Besides, listen to an interview from 1974, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1989, 1992, 1997, 2007, etc. Members have said different things depending on who they are nice with at the time. I don't think one interview or opinion truely clarifies anyone's position.
And for the 24930th time, I'm just asking why the double standard. No one has ever answered this question. Ever. No other bands that had lineup changes get debated as much as Sabbath as to whether output from certain lineups is more credible than another. This might come as a shock, but I don't feel Sabbath is in an way superior to other bands, that they merit an exception to this rule. I like Sabbath a lot, but I'm not some uber-fanboi that judges them by different rules than any other band. 1 day ago
thesithempire @blacksabfan:
There are many original Van Halen fans who disagree with the band carrying on under than name with another singer. A number of original AC/DC fans feel that way as well. So too Genesis fans, Moody Blues fans, etc., For many people, the original lineups of their favorite bands are special, in fact, sacrosanct. Personally, I love the later albums with Dio, Gillan and Hughes, but they're different bands, and deserve a different name to distinguish those significant differences. 1 day ago
blacksabfan (uploader) @thesithempire
And there's a lot of people who don't believe that with other bands. Even if people have a favorite lineup of bands such as Maiden, AC/DC, Van Halen, Purple, etc., there at least seems to be acceptance of the other lineups. Any hatred of certain lineups don't touch the people who continuely deny certain lineups of Sabbath...it's like some pathological need for people like you to stress over and over that the only legitmate lineup included Ozzy.
thesithempire @blacksabfan:
It's not about the legitimacy of a band. Of course, Iommi would move on with other musicians. It's about the sanctity of a name and what that name designates. Bands are not sports teams. They represent the musicians in the band, and if a significant change occurs and a band member departs contentiously (as opposed to his own will), then the name should change to reflect that. Would I want Iommi to carry on as Heaven and Hell with another singer if something happened to Dio? No.
blacksabfan (uploader) @thesithempire
Who the hell are you to decide the sanctity. Shouldn't that be up to the guy who, I don't know, LEGALLY OWNS THE NAME??? The only band member that MIGHT of left with any contention was Bill Ward. Ozzy got fired/left...but then signed his rights away. That's not the actions of a man who's contentious about leaving. If any band members had contention with Iommi owning it, why did any of them sign their rights away? They did that of their own will. That opinion doesn't make sense. 23 hours ago
thesithempire @blacksabfan:
In fairness to Ozzy, he has a very different story about that. (In fact, even Tony has a very different story to the one that most people have read about.) The truth of this whole split-up is not out there, but one thing is certain. Ozzy's firing was extremely contentious.
Just thought I'd clarify that point.
blacksabfan (uploader) @thesithempire
Again disagree. The actions described speak for themselves. Plus, your statement (the full truth isn't out there, but it was extremely contentious) How can you say it was "certainly contentious" if you don't know the full truth (which is in essence just the truth) to begin with? That doesn't even begin to make sense.
I thought I'd clarify THAT point. 6 hours ago
*I think I got him with that one...but again, that's just logic talking...there's more...we actually had like three different arguements going at once...
thesithempire @blacksabfan:
The truth is that things are rarely ever black and white. Iommi sought to change the name after Dio was fired, but management wouldn't hear of it -- which means that the Sabbath name on the later covers was not his wish or his design. The truth is that Bill Ward and Ozzy have consistently said that Black Sabbath is the original incarnation alone, and that Geezer Butler did tell Mick Wall: I always said if any of us ever left, it wouldnt be Black Sabbath anymore—and it wasnt. 1 day ago
blacksabfan (uploader) @thesithempire
Well if Iommi truly cared, he would of packed it in. For every quote you provide from the Reunion era when it was all good vibes among the original members, I can provide no less than 3 when Iommi quoted excitement/hope for a particular lineup of Sabbath. It's all to be taken in context. Ozzy and Ward have their biases, but I know there's been times when Geezer was quite enthuastic about Dio being in Sabbath, and Iommi (along with Cozy Powell) harped the Headless Cross era.
Lastly, why the fuck are you even arguing with me about this? It's not like I denied that I liked the original lineup the best. I actually do. That said, I'm not changing my mind, and I don't agree with your opinion. Seems pointless. It would be one thing if I was blatantly lying about some historical facts, but I'm not. I just see Black Sabbath as 40+ years of great music, and you see 15? Maybe 9 if you count just original music. I'm not a history rewriter. It is what it is. Like it or not. 1 day ago
*Trying to end it...maybe my tone is harsh but come on, can't we agree to disagree?
thesithempire @blacksabfan: I'm not arguing, I'm discussing. No need to be defensive. My point is simple. Fans have a legitimate cause to gripe over a band-name. And I never said you were *wrong* to view things as you do. If someone says the original lineup is solely Black Sabbath that doesn't mean we hate Dio and the later incarnations. Heck, I just bought H&H and Mob Rules for the fourth time (Sanctuary deluxe remasters). I'm just saying respect the views of others who differ from yours. 1 day ago
*This is his first part that actually sort of pissed me off. I've respected his views the whole time, but honestly this debate is on a 1974 Cali. Jam video. It's not really related and it's gone on long enough. That said, who the fuck is he to tell me to respect others views when he's shitting all over mine by trying to cram his opinion down my throat? Just a question.
blacksabfan (uploader) @thesithempire
That's where I have a problem. I post these things because I enjoy sharing my music collection. I'd rather have people comment on the actual video, than rehashing pointless debates about nothing that will be settled. Also, I'm not going around on other Sabbath videos forcing my opinion down on others, yet you and others seem to show up on mine and start these "discussions". I'm not interested in a "discussion" about what is/isn't Sabbath. ITS OFF TOPIC.
Secondly, I've had this same "discussion" in some form at least 50 times on here. It's fucking old, it's annoying, and frankly I don't give a flying fuck. I've gone as far to just delete posts when it crops up, but since yours is intelligible (although still off-topic) I decided to engage it. I said I don't agree. Let it go. I'm not disrespecting your opinion anymore than you're disrespecting mine by not letting go of this futile "discussion". It works both ways.
thesithempire @blacksabfan: True. But I brought it up because you said another poster who said Sabbath ended in 1979 had a "brain fart" or made a typo. I was only pointing out that some of us who are not Dio-haters believe the band ended in 1979. But I understand if you're not interested in such discussions. 21 hours ago.
*And now starts the passive-aggressive bullshit...I go on a rant about this later...but it begins here. I'm not interested, but he seems to think he's winning now because I'm backing off. So he just keeps right on coming...
blacksabfan @thesithempire
Again, probably on something I uploaded since you're trying to accuse me of starting it.
Black Sabbath didn't end in 1979. That's a fact. It's that simple. I have a history degree and I teach it, and I'm interested in facts. It doesn't matter how much value one lineup, or if something was lost/gained etc. Black Sabbath as a band, didn't stop making music in 1979. I get your viewpoint, but your viewpoints ARE NOT FACTS. Stop confusing the two.
As a warning to thesithempire and anyone else. I'm not here to fucking debate this shit. I'm not interested in what YOU (the general populace) think is or isn't Black Sabbath. It's been hashed out over and over again for the last goddamn 30 years. Anyone who wants to comment on the merits of the video, great. Anything else will just be deleted. I'm not entertaining this crap anymore...discuss it somewhere else.
thesithempire @blacksabfan:
It's your video and you can do as you want, but for you own well-being, you aught to examine your hostility. None of us have a personal stake in any of this. I can understand taking a hard stance against trolls. But you do yourself a disservice to get so angry over a few people who believe a certain way about a band. Ignore it. Why fuel a debate you don't want? On Youtube, it's common that people post OT responses. I don't see that it's worth giving yourself a heart-attack over.
*This put me over the edge. That passive aggressive bullshit. I said I don't want to discuss it, and he keeps going, as I make a harsh blanket statement saying to drop it and he comes back at me saying I have hostility issues. Aggressive right back to passive. "Oh, look at me, that mean Blacksabfan is being all mean and hostile to me...". No asshole. You're a troll that wants the last word, so when I have the audacity to defend my points (many of which he didn't even answer well, but just accused me of being defensive and hostile) you resort to the passive-aggressive routine. Fucker thinks he's smart, and probably uses this in every debate to wear the person down. I might be an asshole, but I don't resort to tricks like this, I just come out guns blazing and make a good point and throw a few curses in for emotion. I make this point known in my longest every Youtube reply (4 boxes).
blacksabfan (uploader) @thesithempire
You haven't seen my hostility. I'm not angry about what you believe. My patience has worn a bit thin that you CONTINUELY seem determined to make your irrevelant point featured here. You could of said it once, and I've said a couple times to let it go, but obviously you don't fucking get it. You keep harping on it and then expect me not to be a bit...well yeah, angry. I think that's completely reasonable. I've asked nicely to let it go, now I'm not going to be so nice.
So here's what I'm going to do, I'm going to just block you from every commenting again on ANYTHING of mine, because obviously you don't know when to fucking shut up. You're right, none of us have a personal stake, which is why I don't get why you are so determined to get the last word. You said your piece, I disagreed and would of been happy to let it go, but you keep on and on like it really matters to you that I understand you. I've understood your position the entire time.
You're one of those people that prefers to remember Sabbath as the original 4. That's fine. But you show up here like I'm brainwashing people into believing...the truth? Suggesting (and showing them) that there's more to Sabbath than 1970-1978. (I know, sounds terrible). I respect your opinion, but what I don't respect is how you keep bringing it up after I've said to let it go, and then making me out to be defensive and hostile? You serious? Pot calling the kettle black much?
Basically, you're a troll who like to play the passive-aggressive game. Someone who starts shit (but makes it look innocent), annoy the person with repeated asinine comments, and then when they make an effort to defend, accuse them of being hostile and say that they are the ones that are mental. I'll say it plain, I hate fuckers like you...because you think you should be able to get away with it everytime someone disagrees with you. Well, not this time asshole.
That ended it. I hope. I really don't think I'm in any way out of line. I gave him chances to back off, but he didn't want to take them. Instead, he accused me of being hostile toward his viewpoints. No, I was hostile about how you presented them...over and over and over, and then fucking shit on mine and tried to make me think I wasn't somehow allowed to defend myself. That's the most blatant passive-aggressive chicken shit I've ever seen. Like I said, and I'll say it again, I hate those types of people. Those are the people in life you have to watch out for...they might seem nice, but they think they can do no wrong and if something does, it's someone else's fault. They troll around and pick on people, looking for reactions (and hey thats what I give, I'll admit it) and when they get one, they get aggressive until they totally get shit on, and then say "oh, now I'm a victim." Cut the horseshit. Anyone with a brain can see that and shouldn't give you an ounce of respect, not online or in real life.
Eat shit and die thesithempire. People like you don't deserve any respect. Oh, and not your viewpoints, those are fine. Just you, as a person.
Tuesday, April 27, 2010
Tuesday, April 20, 2010
Tons of links for Lizzy shows.
Hi everyone,
Lately I haven't been doing much on YouTube or on the blog because I'm working on a new project. This new project involves me uploading all my Lizzy/Lynott shows.
Normally I would like something like this to be a surprise, but megaupload has a policy in place that if no one downloads from the links within a 30 day period, the links become invalid. So, I thought I would post a few of the links here, so that people might download them and keep them alive until the project is up and running.
Here are the following shows:
Thin Lizzy - National Stadium Dublin 10 Jan 1973 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PFI7HJL7
Thin Lizzy - Jahrhunderthalle Frankfurt 8 Oct 1972 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1E1MNLR7
Thin Lizzy - Riviera Theater Chicago 21 April 1976 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VUW1N3MB
Thin Lizzy - Masonic Temple Detroit 26 Oct 1977 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3MUC4QVA
Thin Lizzy - Boxing Stadium Liverpool 9 Nov 1974 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=X30IDO76
Thin Lizzy - Radstadion Ludwigshafen 6 Sept 1975 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MQC5GXJA
Thin Lizzy - National Stadium Dublin 10 Dec 1975 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=H6P5XVO5
Thin Lizzy - Boutwell Auditorium Birmingham AL 22 Feb 1977 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4LD0BRI2
Thin Lizzy - Palladium NYC 1 Oct 1978 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=G0BKMVAZ
Thin Lizzy - Paradise Theater Boston 6 Sept 1978 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AJTXVNHC
Thin Lizzy - City Hall Cork 13 April 1980 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6DZ36GA5
Thin Lizzy - Lorelei Amphitheatre St. Goarshausen 29 Aug 1981 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AX2O3DB7
Thin Lizzy - Regal Theatre Hitchin 26 Jan 1983 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Z660WB60
Thin Lizzy - Zeppelinfield Nuremberg 4 Sept 1983 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SVZM1TVS
Thin Lizzy - Centre Brighton 25 Feb 1983 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XRIKL6Q8
Grand Slam - Wild Weekender Great Yarmouth (complete SBD) 1984-10-12 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8WU5NCI4
Grand Slam - Rock City Nottingham 26 Nov 1984 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BZUXD9IW
That's about it for now. I eventually plan to have every show in my hard drive uploaded. Keep in mind some of these links contain lots of big files. All the shows are lossless and in .flac format. Don't ask me to convert them because I'm not going to. There's plenty of good .flac players and many ways to convert...youll have to research it yourself if you're not familiar with it.
Enjoy all the links. I think this makes up for all those posts I said I was going to make and never did.
Lately I haven't been doing much on YouTube or on the blog because I'm working on a new project. This new project involves me uploading all my Lizzy/Lynott shows.
Normally I would like something like this to be a surprise, but megaupload has a policy in place that if no one downloads from the links within a 30 day period, the links become invalid. So, I thought I would post a few of the links here, so that people might download them and keep them alive until the project is up and running.
Here are the following shows:
Thin Lizzy - National Stadium Dublin 10 Jan 1973 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PFI7HJL7
Thin Lizzy - Jahrhunderthalle Frankfurt 8 Oct 1972 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1E1MNLR7
Thin Lizzy - Riviera Theater Chicago 21 April 1976 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VUW1N3MB
Thin Lizzy - Masonic Temple Detroit 26 Oct 1977 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3MUC4QVA
Thin Lizzy - Boxing Stadium Liverpool 9 Nov 1974 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=X30IDO76
Thin Lizzy - Radstadion Ludwigshafen 6 Sept 1975 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MQC5GXJA
Thin Lizzy - National Stadium Dublin 10 Dec 1975 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=H6P5XVO5
Thin Lizzy - Boutwell Auditorium Birmingham AL 22 Feb 1977 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4LD0BRI2
Thin Lizzy - Palladium NYC 1 Oct 1978 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=G0BKMVAZ
Thin Lizzy - Paradise Theater Boston 6 Sept 1978 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AJTXVNHC
Thin Lizzy - City Hall Cork 13 April 1980 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6DZ36GA5
Thin Lizzy - Lorelei Amphitheatre St. Goarshausen 29 Aug 1981 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AX2O3DB7
Thin Lizzy - Regal Theatre Hitchin 26 Jan 1983 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Z660WB60
Thin Lizzy - Zeppelinfield Nuremberg 4 Sept 1983 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SVZM1TVS
Thin Lizzy - Centre Brighton 25 Feb 1983 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XRIKL6Q8
Grand Slam - Wild Weekender Great Yarmouth (complete SBD) 1984-10-12 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8WU5NCI4
Grand Slam - Rock City Nottingham 26 Nov 1984 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BZUXD9IW
That's about it for now. I eventually plan to have every show in my hard drive uploaded. Keep in mind some of these links contain lots of big files. All the shows are lossless and in .flac format. Don't ask me to convert them because I'm not going to. There's plenty of good .flac players and many ways to convert...youll have to research it yourself if you're not familiar with it.
Enjoy all the links. I think this makes up for all those posts I said I was going to make and never did.
Friday, March 26, 2010
OMG it's OMaGh.
Hi everyone.
Recently, RL has decided to release the famous Phil Lynott solo gig, 'Omagh 1982' to the public.
That said, demanding that everyone thank them for it is a bit silly. They had the gig for nearly 6 years (at least) and didn't bother to do anything with it until now. Why now? Scroll down my blog and put 2 & 2 together.
Again, the real thanks go to the person who was able to get this from Phil Lynott to begin with, which is something RL has never even mentioned...
Now to the show itself...it' a great SBD audio. The copy that RL has been giving out has gaps between all the songs AND is lossy. They assumed it wasn't based on the original notes I received with it, but upon further review, it's definitely lossy. However, the quality alone is superb, and well worth the download.
I took it upon myself to also open up all the files, remove the annoying gaps, and reconvert to new flac files, all aligned on sector boundaries. It's definitely an improvement, and should be the definitive version until a lossless version appears.
Here is the link for the entire show:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IAY2G0P9
Enjoy the show everyone.
Recently, RL has decided to release the famous Phil Lynott solo gig, 'Omagh 1982' to the public.
That said, demanding that everyone thank them for it is a bit silly. They had the gig for nearly 6 years (at least) and didn't bother to do anything with it until now. Why now? Scroll down my blog and put 2 & 2 together.
Again, the real thanks go to the person who was able to get this from Phil Lynott to begin with, which is something RL has never even mentioned...
Now to the show itself...it' a great SBD audio. The copy that RL has been giving out has gaps between all the songs AND is lossy. They assumed it wasn't based on the original notes I received with it, but upon further review, it's definitely lossy. However, the quality alone is superb, and well worth the download.
I took it upon myself to also open up all the files, remove the annoying gaps, and reconvert to new flac files, all aligned on sector boundaries. It's definitely an improvement, and should be the definitive version until a lossless version appears.
Here is the link for the entire show:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IAY2G0P9
Enjoy the show everyone.
Monday, March 22, 2010
Thanks.
While RL is busy doing damage control (or touting themselves as heroes, depending upon your POV), I'm going to thank the REAL person responsible for "In the Delta" coming to light. I'm sort of disgusted at watching RL try to claim this as their doing. It's not like the track was discovered by them. Someone had it first. Hopefully I'll get to meet him personally and have a bit of a chat. Maybe someone who knows him can point him in my direction...
Sunday, March 21, 2010
The "Circle of Fools" has done it again!
Hi everyone.
The Thin Lizzy supporters that frequent this blog have already read about my past experiences with Thin Lizzy fan site "Rock Legend". Yeah, I don't like them and they don't like me. Fine. I must share this latest run-in with them though, to share with you some news, and to share with you THE TRUTH.
The big news is that the ultimate holy grail track "In the Delta" is now on YouTube.
It was posted there by "Father Jack". People that "know", know who he is. From time to time, him and others in the RL crew like to throw gold coins to us "less forunate" Thin Lizzy supporters. They claim to find all this rare stuff, and make it available ASAP to everyone. They claim they want to share other rare tracks but can't because you need rare tracks to trade for other rare tracks not in their possession. This logic makes perfectly good sense.
However, this is NOT what RL does. "In the Delta" is proof of that. I've said it for a couple years now, and this time I have indisputable proof of their TRUE motives.
The reason "In the Delta" is up on YouTube now? IT's simply because I doubted they had it, and they wanted to "prove me wrong". How dumb is that? Well, not as dumb as what you're going to read here below.
This started about a week ago. Another YouTube user, completely out of the blue, emailed me the lyrics to "In the Delta". He said he had owned it for years and it was a rare trade-only item. He insinuated that I might be able to contact the person who had another rare track and set up a trade. I said I wasn't interested though, but kept the correspondence.
Then I decided, as a complete joke, to email RL saying I had the track. This is shit that happens quite often. Am I a jerk, maybe...but I'm also one that likes to have a little fun now and then. I contacted the webmaster of Rock Legend, knowing full well he would tell anyone within earshot...but not expecting anything major to happen. Here is the actual correspondence:
Me = Red, RL = Blue
Sent: Mon 3/15/10 3:13 PM
To: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Wooh wooh wooh wooh.......(for one minute or so)
I've been working down in the delta, Lord it done me no good. When your working out in the delta all you is blood, sweat, and blood in the delta.
Wooh wooh wooh wooh.....................................................
I've been working on that chain-gang, breaking rocks for the man on that chain gang. You get no pity that man don't give a damn, damn, damn in the delta.
Wooh wooh wooh wooh.....................................................
Who says there has to be a moral. See my berathed has taken a fall. Who says I'm resting on my laurels. Who says I got anything in common with you at all, see as silly has it seems...so tired living out someboby else's dream. So tired living out somebody else's dream. More time I waste more time I must redeem. So tired living out somebody else's dream
Just ask Prince Laurence of the Bahamas. So tired living out somebody else's dream for the flash scene.
Thought you might be interested.
RS
rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Sent: Mon 3/15/10 6:24 PM
To: Me
So have you managed to get hold of a copy of In the Delta or is it just the lyrics you have Ryan?
Jim
Sent: Mon 3/15/10 9:40 PM All I have to say is that I've waited for this moment a long time now. I wouldn't waste my time if it wasn't going to be worth my while.
I'd post a sample, but I don't have permission. This is surely something you and some others understand...right? There's protocol involved...
RS
From: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Sent: Tue 3/16/10 5:37 PM
I hope you enjoy it - it really a very interesting track - but nowhopefully you will see that sometimes to get access to certain veryinteresting tracks you just cannot post them and share them otherwisesources just dry up!
Sent: Tue 3/16/10 10:42 PM
To: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
It is a very interesting track. Although I'm not sure how YOU know it's interesting...It is my understanding that I'm exactly the 7th person to have a copy. That's what person #6 told me. If my calculations are correct, there's no way you or anyone else you personally talk to on a regular basis has a copy of it. That would make the number much higher than 7. So, someone's not telling the truth...
But that said, yes I will enjoy it. And it's not completely out of the question that it could turn up on YouTube. But I have some other people I need to talk to a bit first, some more shopping around to do, you know how it is.
From: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Sent: Wed 3/17/10 5:11 PM
Ryan not sure if your information is correct and that is the problem withthe world of Thin Lizzy trading as you, me or anyone else does not reallyknow who has what! So yes I have a copy in fact I have had a copy before you and I firstcommunicated but as you know after my experience I stopped all trading so
I will just add before I finish can I urge you to think very carefully before spreading the track far and wide as there is one or two rare trackwhich others are trying to track down and secure and if In the Delta was"out there" the people are trying to secure tracks like Story of my Life and others. So I know you will make your own mind up on this but just think about ityou may have a key part to play in helping to get the last few of the losttracks unearthed and contrary to your thoughts I know that the people Ihave contact with have always wanted to share all the tracts once they hadmanaged to release the tracks which are held by others.
So I will go now and I genuinely hope you enjoy the track. J
Sent: Wed 3/17/10 8:43 PM
To: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Nah, I'm sure my information is correct. Here's why:No one from RL is going to give me the time of day, except for maybe you, if I had a question about any unreleased material. I've known this for a long time, and when I was booted from the forums (and I was booted) I didn't look back.
The guy I got the track from was the long time owner. He knows exactly who has the track. I know copies have been VERY LIMITED, for the exact reasons you mentioned. If someone from RL had it, I wouldn't of wasted my time gloating to you about it. In fact, I would of posted it already, probably just to stick it to them even more. Also, no one from RL is going to come to me, out of the blue, and just say, "Hey, Ryan, you want a copy of this track..." Get real Jim. I know you guys have been looking for it for a long, long time. Hell, I know when the whole Unfinished Sympathy business came about, no one at RL had even heard of "In the Delta". I know you're bluffing, and I know you're trying to not make a big deal about it because you don't want to "overplay" your hand. Hell, it's probably the closest you guys are going to get to acquiring that track.
Another reason I know you don't have it, is that it would of appeared as at least a snippet in what "nothinbutblue" posted on YouTube. I know his identity too. I know where those tracks are coming from, and I know why some appear as snippets. C'mon Jim, if you really had the track, you would of said as much in the very first message and probably not bothered replying to me. But you guys won't let it go until you either get some information from me on how to acquire it, or convince me to cough it up...neither which are going to happen.
And even if you do have it, I could totally piss up any effort you guys have of acquiring other rare tracks. If that is what you're doing...you'd think after 20 years you'd have gotten somewhere with that by now.
I might be young, but I've played a lot of Poker in my time. I'm damn near unbeatable at that game. This is the same exact thing in my eyes.
That's all I have to say on this. You can reply back, but I won't be responding any further. I wish you the best Jim.
RS
From: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Sent: Thu 3/18/10 5:24 PM
Okay Ryan you believe what you want to believe but if you are such agood poker player you should know when to fold and admit you do not havea winning hand! And I am sorry to disappoint you but your source does not have the fullpicture so if you still think I do not have it then if I say it is a slowbluesey number maybe you will realise that I do! So you came over to gloat well sorry to piss on the parade with that one -so I guess we can expect it on Youtube and if only you had taken time withme some time ago maybe you and I would have shared more than we did but asyou will not be reading this I guess you will never know! J
From: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Sent: Sun 3/21/10 7:52 AM
Don't think we have it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oECJDo1jB9g
Sent: Sun 3/21/10 1:35 PM
To: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Well, guess I was wrong...
And now you're thinking, you and Phil O. both, that "Yes, we finally got that SOB this time."
Well, here's the funniest part of all...
Wait for it...
... ...
I NEVER HAD THE TRACK TO BEGIN WITH.
Amazing what a set of lyrics and a reputation can do for you. You should of stuck to your guns at the beginning and assumed I didn't have it. I knew either way, whether you had the track or not, that I could get some type of reaction out of you. However, this is totally beyond even my expectations.
Now I have to ask...do you have any more rare tracks that you're saving to "get back at people"? I mean, you claim that you need to be saving them to trade for other rarities, but on a whim you can just post them to supposedly get back at me for claiming you didn't have it? If anything, all you've done is make people question your motives. Are you really saving them for the whole "rarities for rarities" excuse, or using them as golden nuggets to dole out on any given whim to make it seem like you're bigshots? Right now it looks a lot more like the latter. Not that I care HOW you guys look to a casual observer, but YOU might.
Thanks for the gift. And the laughs.
RS
That last paragraph in my last message to them says it all. And the rest of it is the reason "In the Delta" is on YouTube. They've had this track and other tracks in their back pockets for years. Perhaps at one time they were trying to trade them for rare tracks, but that time has long passed. The holders of the few tracks they don't have want nothing to do with them. So, yes they could share them, but they don't. They save them for special occasions...like this. They wanted to beat me to the bank, because they were worried I might get other rare tracks, or post the track on YouTube myself. Well, thinking they were gonna get me good...they posted it themselves. Thanks guys.
But don't let them tell you they are doing it because they are generous, or they are doing it because they wanted to share it. If I didn't press them, it never would of turned up. They are doing it because they THINK they got me good...oh no, no, no.
Can't wait to see how they will spin this. They are going to need to do some damage control.
Enjoy the track guys.
Ryan
The Thin Lizzy supporters that frequent this blog have already read about my past experiences with Thin Lizzy fan site "Rock Legend". Yeah, I don't like them and they don't like me. Fine. I must share this latest run-in with them though, to share with you some news, and to share with you THE TRUTH.
The big news is that the ultimate holy grail track "In the Delta" is now on YouTube.
It was posted there by "Father Jack". People that "know", know who he is. From time to time, him and others in the RL crew like to throw gold coins to us "less forunate" Thin Lizzy supporters. They claim to find all this rare stuff, and make it available ASAP to everyone. They claim they want to share other rare tracks but can't because you need rare tracks to trade for other rare tracks not in their possession. This logic makes perfectly good sense.
However, this is NOT what RL does. "In the Delta" is proof of that. I've said it for a couple years now, and this time I have indisputable proof of their TRUE motives.
The reason "In the Delta" is up on YouTube now? IT's simply because I doubted they had it, and they wanted to "prove me wrong". How dumb is that? Well, not as dumb as what you're going to read here below.
This started about a week ago. Another YouTube user, completely out of the blue, emailed me the lyrics to "In the Delta". He said he had owned it for years and it was a rare trade-only item. He insinuated that I might be able to contact the person who had another rare track and set up a trade. I said I wasn't interested though, but kept the correspondence.
Then I decided, as a complete joke, to email RL saying I had the track. This is shit that happens quite often. Am I a jerk, maybe...but I'm also one that likes to have a little fun now and then. I contacted the webmaster of Rock Legend, knowing full well he would tell anyone within earshot...but not expecting anything major to happen. Here is the actual correspondence:
Me = Red, RL = Blue
Sent: Mon 3/15/10 3:13 PM
To: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Wooh wooh wooh wooh.......(for one minute or so)
I've been working down in the delta, Lord it done me no good. When your working out in the delta all you is blood, sweat, and blood in the delta.
Wooh wooh wooh wooh.....................................................
I've been working on that chain-gang, breaking rocks for the man on that chain gang. You get no pity that man don't give a damn, damn, damn in the delta.
Wooh wooh wooh wooh.....................................................
Who says there has to be a moral. See my berathed has taken a fall. Who says I'm resting on my laurels. Who says I got anything in common with you at all, see as silly has it seems...so tired living out someboby else's dream. So tired living out somebody else's dream. More time I waste more time I must redeem. So tired living out somebody else's dream
Just ask Prince Laurence of the Bahamas. So tired living out somebody else's dream for the flash scene.
Thought you might be interested.
RS
rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Sent: Mon 3/15/10 6:24 PM
To: Me
So have you managed to get hold of a copy of In the Delta or is it just the lyrics you have Ryan?
Jim
Sent: Mon 3/15/10 9:40 PM All I have to say is that I've waited for this moment a long time now. I wouldn't waste my time if it wasn't going to be worth my while.
I'd post a sample, but I don't have permission. This is surely something you and some others understand...right? There's protocol involved...
RS
From: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Sent: Tue 3/16/10 5:37 PM
I hope you enjoy it - it really a very interesting track - but nowhopefully you will see that sometimes to get access to certain veryinteresting tracks you just cannot post them and share them otherwisesources just dry up!
Sent: Tue 3/16/10 10:42 PM
To: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
It is a very interesting track. Although I'm not sure how YOU know it's interesting...It is my understanding that I'm exactly the 7th person to have a copy. That's what person #6 told me. If my calculations are correct, there's no way you or anyone else you personally talk to on a regular basis has a copy of it. That would make the number much higher than 7. So, someone's not telling the truth...
But that said, yes I will enjoy it. And it's not completely out of the question that it could turn up on YouTube. But I have some other people I need to talk to a bit first, some more shopping around to do, you know how it is.
From: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Sent: Wed 3/17/10 5:11 PM
Ryan not sure if your information is correct and that is the problem withthe world of Thin Lizzy trading as you, me or anyone else does not reallyknow who has what! So yes I have a copy in fact I have had a copy before you and I firstcommunicated but as you know after my experience I stopped all trading so
I will just add before I finish can I urge you to think very carefully before spreading the track far and wide as there is one or two rare trackwhich others are trying to track down and secure and if In the Delta was"out there" the people are trying to secure tracks like Story of my Life and others. So I know you will make your own mind up on this but just think about ityou may have a key part to play in helping to get the last few of the losttracks unearthed and contrary to your thoughts I know that the people Ihave contact with have always wanted to share all the tracts once they hadmanaged to release the tracks which are held by others.
So I will go now and I genuinely hope you enjoy the track. J
Sent: Wed 3/17/10 8:43 PM
To: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Nah, I'm sure my information is correct. Here's why:No one from RL is going to give me the time of day, except for maybe you, if I had a question about any unreleased material. I've known this for a long time, and when I was booted from the forums (and I was booted) I didn't look back.
The guy I got the track from was the long time owner. He knows exactly who has the track. I know copies have been VERY LIMITED, for the exact reasons you mentioned. If someone from RL had it, I wouldn't of wasted my time gloating to you about it. In fact, I would of posted it already, probably just to stick it to them even more. Also, no one from RL is going to come to me, out of the blue, and just say, "Hey, Ryan, you want a copy of this track..." Get real Jim. I know you guys have been looking for it for a long, long time. Hell, I know when the whole Unfinished Sympathy business came about, no one at RL had even heard of "In the Delta". I know you're bluffing, and I know you're trying to not make a big deal about it because you don't want to "overplay" your hand. Hell, it's probably the closest you guys are going to get to acquiring that track.
Another reason I know you don't have it, is that it would of appeared as at least a snippet in what "nothinbutblue" posted on YouTube. I know his identity too. I know where those tracks are coming from, and I know why some appear as snippets. C'mon Jim, if you really had the track, you would of said as much in the very first message and probably not bothered replying to me. But you guys won't let it go until you either get some information from me on how to acquire it, or convince me to cough it up...neither which are going to happen.
And even if you do have it, I could totally piss up any effort you guys have of acquiring other rare tracks. If that is what you're doing...you'd think after 20 years you'd have gotten somewhere with that by now.
I might be young, but I've played a lot of Poker in my time. I'm damn near unbeatable at that game. This is the same exact thing in my eyes.
That's all I have to say on this. You can reply back, but I won't be responding any further. I wish you the best Jim.
RS
From: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Sent: Thu 3/18/10 5:24 PM
Okay Ryan you believe what you want to believe but if you are such agood poker player you should know when to fold and admit you do not havea winning hand! And I am sorry to disappoint you but your source does not have the fullpicture so if you still think I do not have it then if I say it is a slowbluesey number maybe you will realise that I do! So you came over to gloat well sorry to piss on the parade with that one -so I guess we can expect it on Youtube and if only you had taken time withme some time ago maybe you and I would have shared more than we did but asyou will not be reading this I guess you will never know! J
From: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Sent: Sun 3/21/10 7:52 AM
Don't think we have it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oECJDo1jB9g
Sent: Sun 3/21/10 1:35 PM
To: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Well, guess I was wrong...
And now you're thinking, you and Phil O. both, that "Yes, we finally got that SOB this time."
Well, here's the funniest part of all...
Wait for it...
... ...
I NEVER HAD THE TRACK TO BEGIN WITH.
Amazing what a set of lyrics and a reputation can do for you. You should of stuck to your guns at the beginning and assumed I didn't have it. I knew either way, whether you had the track or not, that I could get some type of reaction out of you. However, this is totally beyond even my expectations.
Now I have to ask...do you have any more rare tracks that you're saving to "get back at people"? I mean, you claim that you need to be saving them to trade for other rarities, but on a whim you can just post them to supposedly get back at me for claiming you didn't have it? If anything, all you've done is make people question your motives. Are you really saving them for the whole "rarities for rarities" excuse, or using them as golden nuggets to dole out on any given whim to make it seem like you're bigshots? Right now it looks a lot more like the latter. Not that I care HOW you guys look to a casual observer, but YOU might.
Thanks for the gift. And the laughs.
RS
That last paragraph in my last message to them says it all. And the rest of it is the reason "In the Delta" is on YouTube. They've had this track and other tracks in their back pockets for years. Perhaps at one time they were trying to trade them for rare tracks, but that time has long passed. The holders of the few tracks they don't have want nothing to do with them. So, yes they could share them, but they don't. They save them for special occasions...like this. They wanted to beat me to the bank, because they were worried I might get other rare tracks, or post the track on YouTube myself. Well, thinking they were gonna get me good...they posted it themselves. Thanks guys.
But don't let them tell you they are doing it because they are generous, or they are doing it because they wanted to share it. If I didn't press them, it never would of turned up. They are doing it because they THINK they got me good...oh no, no, no.
Can't wait to see how they will spin this. They are going to need to do some damage control.
Enjoy the track guys.
Ryan
Thursday, February 4, 2010
DimeADozen needs to get a fucking clue.
Hi everyone.
Just got done posting a torrent. It took 2 hrs. It shouldn't take 2 hrs, especially since I had it prepared last night. Leave it to DIME to fuck things up and leave me pissed off.
I attempted to post a lossless version of "Snowed in Cork". It contains some soundcheck tracks from both Cork and Hammersmith, as well as the first 5 tracks from the gig at Cork on 13 April 1980. Shortly after I posted it, it was banned because of track number 10.
Track 10 is "Don't Play Around" (Soundcheck from 29 May 1980 @ Hammersmith)
I looked at the link they gave me, and all it said was that it was officially released as the B-Side of the Killer on the Loose single. I knew that's bullshit. That was a studio release. So I emailed them for an explanation. This is what I got:
I'm going to post this email exchange, tell me if you think my logic is flawed at all. I don't think it is, but DIME seems very adamant about their stance.
Me = Red
Dime = Blue
Hi.
I uploaded torrent #288846 - Thin Lizzy Snowed in Cork, and it was banned because someone claimed the track "Don't Play Around" (from the Hammersmith Soundcheck was used on the "Killer on the Loose" B-Side.
Well, it wasn't. The B-Side for that single was the Studio version of "Don't Play Around", not what I posted.
Hi Ryan
The released studio version of "Don't Play Around" was recorded at the Hammersmith soundcheck in 1980 and was reworked in the studio so its to iffy to run here.
best
Brother_52
Reworked? They aren't even close to the same thing! Likewise, that information isn't even listed on the link provided and I'd like to see some proof of that before you start banning torrents.
If you have the Swedish 2CD release of "The Boys Are Back In Town" from from 2001 on Vertigo 548483-2,please read the sleeve notes written by Jörgen Holmstedt in the inner tray. Thats sufficient information for us to call this particular track off limits on DIME.
I think that's being way too picky. But whatever. When I put it up without that track, I'll expect you to show up and explain to everyone else why that track isn't there.
No its not whatever, its one of the reason why DIME still exists. We were forced to close down twice in not too distant past. On both occasions, it was because of one track in one torrent. That's all it takes. Sorry but we are not willing to put DIME in risk simply because you don't like the way it affects your uploading.
"When I put it up without that track, I'll expect you to show up and explain to everyone else why that track isn't there."
No, you could just link to this page
http://www.trcjt.ca/ap960/lizzy/sc_disk2.html
Because it was "probably recorded". Wow, that's convincing evidence that obviously didn't come from listening to the two songs...
Well if I am not slightly mistaken the same thing is even mentioned in "The Rocker" by Mark Putterford,so if you know more than the journalists Holmstedt and Putterford who both had followed the band very close,well good on you.
"Probably recorded" makes this a conflict with an official release and then the track is off limits on DIME until evidence can be provided to prove otherwise.
I just got out my copy of the Rocker, it doesn't say anything of the sort. It talks about a live version of "Chinatown" being recorded for a b-side at one of the hammersmith gigs, but not anything about "Don't Play Around" being reworked or used for any singles. In theory, then why should any demos be allowed here? Those songs end up 'reworked' and on official releases...seems like the same thing to me.
I know you've had "legal issues" twice, but there's a difference between caution and sheer paranoia.
Don't bother to send anymore messages. I'm not reading them, and I've said all I need to say.
I figured I had pushed my luck enough at this point. I don't agree with their logic. A reworked track is something different. If it was anyone else they probably wouldn't give a shit, or if Brother_52 wasn't some Lizzy 'expert' it would pass right under their noses. I've seen it before with regards to certain Sabbath posts.
Oh, and if you want the track that caused all this, look no further:
www.megaupload.com/?d=BZ0AG0AK
You tell me if it sounds like the studio version...
EDIT:
And for the record, DIME, if you keep sending me stupid emails, which give various excuses but never any apologies for when you are actually wrong about something (and you are), then expect me to keep posting them on my blog.
Since I initiated the correspondence, nor do I feel I have anything to hide, I don't have a problem with it.
I loved this though:
Me: "In theory, then why should any demos be allowed here? Those songs end up 'reworked' and on official releases...seems like the same thing to me.
Dime: "Then make your own tracker with your own rules and take the legal responsibility yourself."
Translation: Good point. But we don't give a fuck and won't admit you make sense. We'll just bitch at you like it's your fault. Then get mad because you've chosen to highlight this idiocy in a public forum out of our control.
I wouldn't have a problem with any of this if they were halfway respectful. But they aren't. They are more worried about legal issues than trying to deal with any of the people that use DIME. If someone asks a question which may be answered in the FAQ page (despite the fact they have shit all over the place in there and it's hard to navigate as it is), they get all condescending and come down on them like the jerks they are. Here's another example from another post on another torrent.
#3776571 by Blacksabfan at 2010-01-30 04:33:41 GMT
Thanks for posting the AUD of this.
The thing thats always intrigued me is that the officially released "Live in Sweden" disc contains the supposed Avesta show (SBD) as a bonus disc, yet from simply listening to this and that disc, the shows aren't the same. I'm fairly certain that this is Avesta...so I wonder what that bonus disc really is.
#3777085 by Brother_52 at 2010-01-30 12:02:55 GMT
This Avesta recording is NOT the same show as the bonus disc "Live In Sweden" and not in conflict with the Zoom release. I own the Avesta silver discs as well as the Zoom release.
From what I remember the Zoom release is from
1983-08-05 Brunnsparken,Örebro,Sweden
and is not in conflict with any of the 3 musketeers recordings which is in circulation in trading circles
Brother_52
The Mod Team
#3777819 by Blacksabfan at 2010-01-30 17:43:31 GMT
That's exactly what I already said...
#3778084 by Brother_52 at 2010-01-30 19:20:01 GMT
There is a major difference,I speak on behalf of DIME.
Several users have reported this torrent as wikipedia says the official release on Zoom has material from Avesta. If there is a conflict between this torrent and and an official release this torrent would not be allowed shared here as it could cause DIME legal problems. As the moderators see it there is no problem with this torrent running here as either is this torrent wrongly dated or wikipedia/Zoom Records have got the date for the recording on the bonus disc wrong.
And by the way, that's posted in the comments section and is public. I didn't have to go through my email to dig those out.
See my point. It would be fine if they just would concur, because the reason I made my first post was to show to others that it wasn't the same thing as the supposed official release. But, he not only ignores my post and copies the exact same information, he then goes on to say about how his expertise in Lizzy supercedes mine because he's a moderator and he speaks on "behalf of Dime". Whoopie shit. There's easier ways to agree with someone than belitting someone else's knowledge and touting your credentials.
Secondly, I would think posting a show that claims to be from a date that already has an official release would be something that could cause a legal issue. Granted we know they both aren't the same, but it's not like any lawyer or music label is going to know this. So, it seems like you're taking a risk by letting it remain on the tracker. That's fine and good, and I don't even disagree, it should be on the tracker because it's not the same show. I'm just saying it might lead to confusion, and could lead to legal trouble from those who aren't as informed about such matters. Yet, you seem to be willing to risk it in this case, but not for my case. It almost is like you just seem to pick battles how you see fit, and not whether they make sense or not. The track I posted as a different guitar solo and runs significantly longer than the official release. It's not even remotely close to being the same. Reworked to me means it's way different and should be allowed. Hell, it's more different than a lot of demos that get reworked...but yet those aren't banned. It almost seems like they enjoy picking on me when I upload stuff and overly scrutinzing it just because they don't like me making examples of them to the general public, and pointing out their mistakes and contradictions.
And yes, YOU DO MAKE THEM. Just because you're running DIME doesn't mean you're infallible.
It's that attitude above, and their resistance to apologize and correct mistakes that makes me post private email from them in a blog.
Just got done posting a torrent. It took 2 hrs. It shouldn't take 2 hrs, especially since I had it prepared last night. Leave it to DIME to fuck things up and leave me pissed off.
I attempted to post a lossless version of "Snowed in Cork". It contains some soundcheck tracks from both Cork and Hammersmith, as well as the first 5 tracks from the gig at Cork on 13 April 1980. Shortly after I posted it, it was banned because of track number 10.
Track 10 is "Don't Play Around" (Soundcheck from 29 May 1980 @ Hammersmith)
I looked at the link they gave me, and all it said was that it was officially released as the B-Side of the Killer on the Loose single. I knew that's bullshit. That was a studio release. So I emailed them for an explanation. This is what I got:
I'm going to post this email exchange, tell me if you think my logic is flawed at all. I don't think it is, but DIME seems very adamant about their stance.
Me = Red
Dime = Blue
Hi.
I uploaded torrent #288846 - Thin Lizzy Snowed in Cork, and it was banned because someone claimed the track "Don't Play Around" (from the Hammersmith Soundcheck was used on the "Killer on the Loose" B-Side.
Well, it wasn't. The B-Side for that single was the Studio version of "Don't Play Around", not what I posted.
Hi Ryan
The released studio version of "Don't Play Around" was recorded at the Hammersmith soundcheck in 1980 and was reworked in the studio so its to iffy to run here.
best
Brother_52
Reworked? They aren't even close to the same thing! Likewise, that information isn't even listed on the link provided and I'd like to see some proof of that before you start banning torrents.
If you have the Swedish 2CD release of "The Boys Are Back In Town" from from 2001 on Vertigo 548483-2,please read the sleeve notes written by Jörgen Holmstedt in the inner tray. Thats sufficient information for us to call this particular track off limits on DIME.
I think that's being way too picky. But whatever. When I put it up without that track, I'll expect you to show up and explain to everyone else why that track isn't there.
No its not whatever, its one of the reason why DIME still exists. We were forced to close down twice in not too distant past. On both occasions, it was because of one track in one torrent. That's all it takes. Sorry but we are not willing to put DIME in risk simply because you don't like the way it affects your uploading.
"When I put it up without that track, I'll expect you to show up and explain to everyone else why that track isn't there."
No, you could just link to this page
http://www.trcjt.ca/ap960/lizzy/sc_disk2.html
Because it was "probably recorded". Wow, that's convincing evidence that obviously didn't come from listening to the two songs...
Well if I am not slightly mistaken the same thing is even mentioned in "The Rocker" by Mark Putterford,so if you know more than the journalists Holmstedt and Putterford who both had followed the band very close,well good on you.
"Probably recorded" makes this a conflict with an official release and then the track is off limits on DIME until evidence can be provided to prove otherwise.
I just got out my copy of the Rocker, it doesn't say anything of the sort. It talks about a live version of "Chinatown" being recorded for a b-side at one of the hammersmith gigs, but not anything about "Don't Play Around" being reworked or used for any singles. In theory, then why should any demos be allowed here? Those songs end up 'reworked' and on official releases...seems like the same thing to me.
I know you've had "legal issues" twice, but there's a difference between caution and sheer paranoia.
Don't bother to send anymore messages. I'm not reading them, and I've said all I need to say.
I figured I had pushed my luck enough at this point. I don't agree with their logic. A reworked track is something different. If it was anyone else they probably wouldn't give a shit, or if Brother_52 wasn't some Lizzy 'expert' it would pass right under their noses. I've seen it before with regards to certain Sabbath posts.
Oh, and if you want the track that caused all this, look no further:
www.megaupload.com/?d=BZ0AG0AK
You tell me if it sounds like the studio version...
EDIT:
And for the record, DIME, if you keep sending me stupid emails, which give various excuses but never any apologies for when you are actually wrong about something (and you are), then expect me to keep posting them on my blog.
Since I initiated the correspondence, nor do I feel I have anything to hide, I don't have a problem with it.
I loved this though:
Me: "In theory, then why should any demos be allowed here? Those songs end up 'reworked' and on official releases...seems like the same thing to me.
Dime: "Then make your own tracker with your own rules and take the legal responsibility yourself."
Translation: Good point. But we don't give a fuck and won't admit you make sense. We'll just bitch at you like it's your fault. Then get mad because you've chosen to highlight this idiocy in a public forum out of our control.
I wouldn't have a problem with any of this if they were halfway respectful. But they aren't. They are more worried about legal issues than trying to deal with any of the people that use DIME. If someone asks a question which may be answered in the FAQ page (despite the fact they have shit all over the place in there and it's hard to navigate as it is), they get all condescending and come down on them like the jerks they are. Here's another example from another post on another torrent.
#3776571 by Blacksabfan at 2010-01-30 04:33:41 GMT
Thanks for posting the AUD of this.
The thing thats always intrigued me is that the officially released "Live in Sweden" disc contains the supposed Avesta show (SBD) as a bonus disc, yet from simply listening to this and that disc, the shows aren't the same. I'm fairly certain that this is Avesta...so I wonder what that bonus disc really is.
#3777085 by Brother_52 at 2010-01-30 12:02:55 GMT
This Avesta recording is NOT the same show as the bonus disc "Live In Sweden" and not in conflict with the Zoom release. I own the Avesta silver discs as well as the Zoom release.
From what I remember the Zoom release is from
1983-08-05 Brunnsparken,Örebro,Sweden
and is not in conflict with any of the 3 musketeers recordings which is in circulation in trading circles
Brother_52
The Mod Team
#3777819 by Blacksabfan at 2010-01-30 17:43:31 GMT
That's exactly what I already said...
#3778084 by Brother_52 at 2010-01-30 19:20:01 GMT
There is a major difference,I speak on behalf of DIME.
Several users have reported this torrent as wikipedia says the official release on Zoom has material from Avesta. If there is a conflict between this torrent and and an official release this torrent would not be allowed shared here as it could cause DIME legal problems. As the moderators see it there is no problem with this torrent running here as either is this torrent wrongly dated or wikipedia/Zoom Records have got the date for the recording on the bonus disc wrong.
And by the way, that's posted in the comments section and is public. I didn't have to go through my email to dig those out.
See my point. It would be fine if they just would concur, because the reason I made my first post was to show to others that it wasn't the same thing as the supposed official release. But, he not only ignores my post and copies the exact same information, he then goes on to say about how his expertise in Lizzy supercedes mine because he's a moderator and he speaks on "behalf of Dime". Whoopie shit. There's easier ways to agree with someone than belitting someone else's knowledge and touting your credentials.
Secondly, I would think posting a show that claims to be from a date that already has an official release would be something that could cause a legal issue. Granted we know they both aren't the same, but it's not like any lawyer or music label is going to know this. So, it seems like you're taking a risk by letting it remain on the tracker. That's fine and good, and I don't even disagree, it should be on the tracker because it's not the same show. I'm just saying it might lead to confusion, and could lead to legal trouble from those who aren't as informed about such matters. Yet, you seem to be willing to risk it in this case, but not for my case. It almost is like you just seem to pick battles how you see fit, and not whether they make sense or not. The track I posted as a different guitar solo and runs significantly longer than the official release. It's not even remotely close to being the same. Reworked to me means it's way different and should be allowed. Hell, it's more different than a lot of demos that get reworked...but yet those aren't banned. It almost seems like they enjoy picking on me when I upload stuff and overly scrutinzing it just because they don't like me making examples of them to the general public, and pointing out their mistakes and contradictions.
And yes, YOU DO MAKE THEM. Just because you're running DIME doesn't mean you're infallible.
It's that attitude above, and their resistance to apologize and correct mistakes that makes me post private email from them in a blog.
Saturday, January 30, 2010
Another download link - By request
ThinLizzyFanpage requested that I post the soundcheck from the 3/12/1983 Hammersmith Odeon gig. I initially said it would take a few days, but I found it on my hard drive and just decided to do it now, while I answered some idiotic comments on a few of my YouTube posts regarding California Jam, Nuremberg 1983, and Sabbath's performance of Smoke on the Water.
I got this from a friend of mine as .mp3 files. I don't know the exact bitrate but the files sound ok. I know people have this in lossless, so if you see this and have it in lossless, it would be appreciated if it could be posted someplace like DIME/DaD or at the Traders Den in that format. That way I could junk this link, and post something in better quality.
This includes 4 versions of Black Rose, 2 of Still In Love With You, Whiskey, The Rocker, Are You Ready, and a couple of jams. It used to have two more tracks but something happened to the CD I had this stored on awhile back and it damaged two tracks so they they were unplayable. This should really be 14 tracks but instead you're only getting 12. Another good reason someone should take the time and post this.
What is here is really good though. It's neat to hear some of the riffs played on their own.
Enjoy!
EDIT: Link removed. Someone met my request and reuploaded lossless version of the afforementioned tracks. I'll try to get a new link put here soon.
I got this from a friend of mine as .mp3 files. I don't know the exact bitrate but the files sound ok. I know people have this in lossless, so if you see this and have it in lossless, it would be appreciated if it could be posted someplace like DIME/DaD or at the Traders Den in that format. That way I could junk this link, and post something in better quality.
This includes 4 versions of Black Rose, 2 of Still In Love With You, Whiskey, The Rocker, Are You Ready, and a couple of jams. It used to have two more tracks but something happened to the CD I had this stored on awhile back and it damaged two tracks so they they were unplayable. This should really be 14 tracks but instead you're only getting 12. Another good reason someone should take the time and post this.
What is here is really good though. It's neat to hear some of the riffs played on their own.
Enjoy!
EDIT: Link removed. Someone met my request and reuploaded lossless version of the afforementioned tracks. I'll try to get a new link put here soon.
Saturday, January 23, 2010
My extremely belated Christmas present.
www.megaupload.com/?d=0BD6L697
Here's a breakdown of what the above link contains:
01 Waiting For an Alibi (Alternate Demo)
02 Dear Miss Lonely Hearts (Demo)
03 Samantha
04 What's the Matter Baby (Version 1)
05 Breakdown (Longer Version)
06 Ode to A Black Man (Demo)
07 Jamaican Rum (Demo)
08 What's the Matter Baby (Version 2)
09 Time (and Again) (Version 2)
10 He Fell Like A Soldier (Version 2)
11 Lady Loves to Dance (Demo)
12 Someone's Out To Get Ya
13 Catholic Charm
14 I Still Think of You
15 No More
16 Revolution
17 Why Don't You Call Me
18 Partner In Crime ('Acoustic Mix')
19 Lady Loves to Dance (12' version)
20 Dirty Old Town
21 Guiding Light
22 Fats (Demo)
23 Tattoo (Demo)
24 Spanish Guitar (Demo)
25 With Love (Alternate Demo)
26 Try A Little Harder (Demo)
27 Hot N' Spicy
28 Hard Times ('Dance Mix')
29 Harlem (Alternate Version)
30 Lady Loves to Dance (Mastered version)
31 Baby's Been Messin' (Snippet)
32 Bad Is Bad (Short low quality snippet)
33 Bad Is Bad (Longer Better quality snippet)
34 Talk in 79 (Snippet)
35 We Will Be Strong (Demo - Snippet)
36 Chinatown (Demo - Snippet)
37 Don't Play Around (Demo - Snippet)
38 Didn't I (Demo - Snippet)
39 Having A Good Time (Demo - Snippet)
40 Have You Heard Lately (Snippet)
41 Kill (Snippet)
42 Revolution (Robin George Version - Snippet)
43 The Story of My Life (Snippet)
All are in 256 kbps mp3 format. Too bad we probably won't get any better quality than this, but it's still nice regardless.
Here's a breakdown of what the above link contains:
01 Waiting For an Alibi (Alternate Demo)
02 Dear Miss Lonely Hearts (Demo)
03 Samantha
04 What's the Matter Baby (Version 1)
05 Breakdown (Longer Version)
06 Ode to A Black Man (Demo)
07 Jamaican Rum (Demo)
08 What's the Matter Baby (Version 2)
09 Time (and Again) (Version 2)
10 He Fell Like A Soldier (Version 2)
11 Lady Loves to Dance (Demo)
12 Someone's Out To Get Ya
13 Catholic Charm
14 I Still Think of You
15 No More
16 Revolution
17 Why Don't You Call Me
18 Partner In Crime ('Acoustic Mix')
19 Lady Loves to Dance (12' version)
20 Dirty Old Town
21 Guiding Light
22 Fats (Demo)
23 Tattoo (Demo)
24 Spanish Guitar (Demo)
25 With Love (Alternate Demo)
26 Try A Little Harder (Demo)
27 Hot N' Spicy
28 Hard Times ('Dance Mix')
29 Harlem (Alternate Version)
30 Lady Loves to Dance (Mastered version)
31 Baby's Been Messin' (Snippet)
32 Bad Is Bad (Short low quality snippet)
33 Bad Is Bad (Longer Better quality snippet)
34 Talk in 79 (Snippet)
35 We Will Be Strong (Demo - Snippet)
36 Chinatown (Demo - Snippet)
37 Don't Play Around (Demo - Snippet)
38 Didn't I (Demo - Snippet)
39 Having A Good Time (Demo - Snippet)
40 Have You Heard Lately (Snippet)
41 Kill (Snippet)
42 Revolution (Robin George Version - Snippet)
43 The Story of My Life (Snippet)
All are in 256 kbps mp3 format. Too bad we probably won't get any better quality than this, but it's still nice regardless.
Friday, January 15, 2010
nothinbutblue's YouTube Channel
Hi everyone!
I just wanted to put in my two cents on a situation involving a YouTube aquaintance of mine who goes by the user name "nothinbutblue".
If you're a big Lizzy/Lynott fan, and if you already have been reading my blog, you probably have some recollection of who he is. This user shared a few dozen EXTREMELY RARE Lizzy and Lynott tracks the last few months, including nearly all of the 1984/85 demos known to exist. Some were only snippets, (and I understand why that is) but even still, his efforts to make these tracks available to be heard by the public is very commendable. It's sad to think that some people (assholes) refuse to share these tracks because either:
A) These assholes are making money from them...or
B) These assholes are holding out (in vain) to get complete versions of certain other tracks from other equally idiotic assholes that 99.999% of all Lizzy collectors don't have yet. (Do you get why some of those were only snippets now?)
Of course, after about a month or so, a few certain people caught wind of what 'nothinbutblue' had done and decided to use the same tactics that once been used on me and successfully got him to remove all the tracks from YouTube.
I need to make a few points about this.
First off, I had spoken to 'nothinbutblue' before he posted anything on his channel. I'm not going to divulge what exactly was said as it's not right for me to just publish the contents of that message (although I have no problem doing so on my end), but I will say that he praised what I had done in posting other rare tracks and said that it was 'the right thing to do'. I feel the public needs to know this, and that 'nothinbutblue' isn't just jerking people around because he can. He just understands (as do I) the other factors you have to deal with when you post rare stuff on the internet. He took the tracks off YouTube because he felt it was the right thing for him to do. Understandable. I felt the right thing to do was to leave them up and weather the storm, risk alienation from 'the big boys' and become a pariah among other collectors of this material. Fine.
'nothinbutblue' did upload a new track late last night, and when asked about the other tracks, suggested that he would post material that would cause "less consternation". What?!
Basically, I understand the decision, but I don't agree with this mentality.
First, if it's the right thing to do (his words), then why is it okay to quit when a few people give you crap?
Also, with regards to these people who are causing consternation, do they really think people didn't make copies of the tracks from YouTube? I mean it's too late once they are up there. I can make a copy of any track I want from YouTube in the time it takes for the song to play through. It's not rocket science. It's called "audacity".
What happens if I were to take these tracks and post them on my YouTube channel? Are these people going to come after me? If they do, they aren't going to win. I won't give two shits about "their consternation". The only reason I haven't is that it puts "nothinbutblue" in a bad position.
Then again, he should of known this was coming. I'm sure he knew what I went through, and I warned him it would happen. Since I knew this, I took the liberty of copying every track he uploaded. I know others that did too. It's common sense if you're a big fan really; it's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. My only problem is that it would of been better to post them as lossless someplace else to maintain highest possible quality. People are going to get them either way, so they might as well let certain people preserve them that way. Now all we have are high-quality lossy copies, and given this "consternation", I don't expect any to be reposted in better quality anytime soon.
Lastly, I wish some of these people who are upset about 'nothinbutblue''s work would crawl out of the shadows and identify themselves, rather than being the cowardly bitches that they are. Then again, if it's the same people who came after me, then it's no surprise.
I just wanted to put in my two cents on a situation involving a YouTube aquaintance of mine who goes by the user name "nothinbutblue".
If you're a big Lizzy/Lynott fan, and if you already have been reading my blog, you probably have some recollection of who he is. This user shared a few dozen EXTREMELY RARE Lizzy and Lynott tracks the last few months, including nearly all of the 1984/85 demos known to exist. Some were only snippets, (and I understand why that is) but even still, his efforts to make these tracks available to be heard by the public is very commendable. It's sad to think that some people (assholes) refuse to share these tracks because either:
A) These assholes are making money from them...or
B) These assholes are holding out (in vain) to get complete versions of certain other tracks from other equally idiotic assholes that 99.999% of all Lizzy collectors don't have yet. (Do you get why some of those were only snippets now?)
Of course, after about a month or so, a few certain people caught wind of what 'nothinbutblue' had done and decided to use the same tactics that once been used on me and successfully got him to remove all the tracks from YouTube.
I need to make a few points about this.
First off, I had spoken to 'nothinbutblue' before he posted anything on his channel. I'm not going to divulge what exactly was said as it's not right for me to just publish the contents of that message (although I have no problem doing so on my end), but I will say that he praised what I had done in posting other rare tracks and said that it was 'the right thing to do'. I feel the public needs to know this, and that 'nothinbutblue' isn't just jerking people around because he can. He just understands (as do I) the other factors you have to deal with when you post rare stuff on the internet. He took the tracks off YouTube because he felt it was the right thing for him to do. Understandable. I felt the right thing to do was to leave them up and weather the storm, risk alienation from 'the big boys' and become a pariah among other collectors of this material. Fine.
'nothinbutblue' did upload a new track late last night, and when asked about the other tracks, suggested that he would post material that would cause "less consternation". What?!
Basically, I understand the decision, but I don't agree with this mentality.
First, if it's the right thing to do (his words), then why is it okay to quit when a few people give you crap?
Also, with regards to these people who are causing consternation, do they really think people didn't make copies of the tracks from YouTube? I mean it's too late once they are up there. I can make a copy of any track I want from YouTube in the time it takes for the song to play through. It's not rocket science. It's called "audacity".
What happens if I were to take these tracks and post them on my YouTube channel? Are these people going to come after me? If they do, they aren't going to win. I won't give two shits about "their consternation". The only reason I haven't is that it puts "nothinbutblue" in a bad position.
Then again, he should of known this was coming. I'm sure he knew what I went through, and I warned him it would happen. Since I knew this, I took the liberty of copying every track he uploaded. I know others that did too. It's common sense if you're a big fan really; it's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. My only problem is that it would of been better to post them as lossless someplace else to maintain highest possible quality. People are going to get them either way, so they might as well let certain people preserve them that way. Now all we have are high-quality lossy copies, and given this "consternation", I don't expect any to be reposted in better quality anytime soon.
Lastly, I wish some of these people who are upset about 'nothinbutblue''s work would crawl out of the shadows and identify themselves, rather than being the cowardly bitches that they are. Then again, if it's the same people who came after me, then it's no surprise.
Sunday, November 22, 2009
Yes...why do I attract all these idiots???
Here's another good conversation I had this evening.
I want it to be known that I'm not a very politically-correct person. I feel that America has become an oversensitive place where people or more worried about feelings and not offending people than being correct, truthful, or just easy-going.
For example, I'm well aware Phil Lynott is half-white, half-black. However, in the course of many casual conversations I have with people, especially ones not that familiar with Lynott or Lizzy, I might say something like 'Lynott was a black-irishman', or 'Lynott was one of the few successful black rock stars', or something like that. By saying this, I'm not denying his half-whiteness, I'm just choosing to accentuate his "blackness", because it makes him more unique. It's technically not dishonest, at least in my mind, because I've always considered a person black if they are 25%, 50%, or 100% black. I don't mean it like I'm a racist. I have black friends, and they've told me they don't mind being called 'black' as opposed to African-American. Some even prefer it. Even the technically bi-racial ones don't mind. I also do it because it's just simple, easy, and to be honest, no one really gives a fuck anyway. But of course, there's always one or two pedantic assholes that want to make a big deal out of something like that. In my mind, making a big deal about someone's race is just pointless anyway, and it's probably half the reason we still have racial problems today, because people just care too much about pointless bullshit such as skin color and being overly PC about it. I like Phil Lynott because what he wrote and sang about, not because of what color he is.
Anyway here is the conversation. Any thoughts about this would be appreciated.
OBAMAisHalfCaste (2 hours ago)
blacksabfan Phil was ~Half Caste~ NOT Black you oviously have never irelands one cultural society..Biracial and Black is different..All biracials are White people with a little more melanin and Tanned skin.Thers white people who go 2 shades darker than phil and Obama when they in hot sunny countries like Spain Africa and Brazil..And heres another suprize (Bob Marley) wasnt black either he was ~Half White~
blacksabfan (1 hour ago)
If someone is visibly black, I call them black. I'm not one to be technical about it. I'm not really into the PC technicalities. I don't care if it's 25%, 50% or 100%. There is nothing factually incorrect about saying Phil Lynott was black. He was. I never said he was 100% black. To be honest I don't even care, I just know he is one of my favorite musicians.
OBAMAisHalfCaste (49 minutes ago)
Well then you are very Dumb and Dull .You cant just labelle peoples ethnicity just because you want them to be something that they are not and never will be.. Phil was White to he was just as much White as he was Black . He belongs to both race groups
blacksabfan (31 minutes ago)
Black and Half-Caste isn't ethnicity. That's race. Ethnicity is Irish, German etc. I mean if you're going to call me dumb and then make a gross error like that, you probably should just stop talking. My point is that in popular culture, if you're part black, you get called black. Right or wrong, that's how it goes. I think everyone that is a fan of Phil Lynott is aware he's not completely black. It's not insulting the man...Phil called himself black. It's an observation that's simplified. If it makes you feel better, if I was writing a term paper on the subject, I would make his racial origin very clear, but in casual conversation I'm going to call him a black irishman. Comphrende?
OBAMAisHalfCaste (18 minutes ago)
Well then you would just be hypocrting yourself writing his real racial background down but then speaking a Lie to ..What is that its nonsence..Listen dude .Phil was Biracial not Black as you already know so give him respect and other biracials respect by calling them that.How would you feel if someone called you Yellow or purple when your not No you are wrong im not here to insult but to bring the truth of god to your eyes..In Africa he is White i have been there and all Biracials are lebeled as White its wrong..And yes most labele them as Black to.But why follow there stupidity and lower yourselfs to there dumbness
blacksabfan (13 minutes ago)
First off, I wouldn't give a shit if someone called me yellow or purple or whatever. I'm more concerned about my accomplishments, which is why I feel stupid arguing about this. Lynott's accomplishments are being belittled because of your hellbent obsession with proving that he's biracial, something that I've never once denied. Secondly, you keep combining race and ethnicity as if they are interchangable. They are not.
Do not comment anymore or you will be banned. End of discussion.
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The fucker then chose to comment on my channel, and I chose to comment back on his, saying that his obsession seemed a bit unhealthy, and that perhaps he could be doing something more important with his life than worrying about whether or not someone is correctly classifying a person's race. Of course, he deleted my comments on his channel, because they might be seen by a person with a brain and they might use some common sense in determining that this guy is a little psychotic. I also made the point that people might take him more seriously if he typed comments without 50 typing errors in them...but what the hell do I know?
His biggest mistake however is that he chooses to use race and ethnicity as if they are interchangible terms. They are not. Race is black, white, hispanic, pacific islander, native american...etc. To be very un-PC about this...race is your color. Ethnicity, on the other hand, has to do with sharing traits through a common heritage. Irish, German, Czech, English, Scottish would be mine. Jews are an ethnic group. Ethnic groups share traits, be it linguistic, cultural, behavioral, religious, etc, and race is just one factor in that. Race can be a common trait within an ethnic group, but it in itself is NOT ethnicity. Phil Lynott was half-black and that is his race, but his ethnicity is wholly Irish. Even though Phil's dad was from British Guyana, I would claim that Phil shares none of ethnic traits associated with Guyana (whatever they are). I really don't see how that can be debated. Likewise there's a lot of white people in South Africa who are in fact African, but they sure as hell aren't black. So they aren't the same.
Basicially I know me going around calling Phil Lynott black is not as accurate as saying he's biracial, and maybe I'm technically wrong, but I'm also saying that I don't really give a fuck and that I understand the truth and just don't see a need to get overly technical about it. I certainly don't feel like calling him black is insulting. (Besides, I can't call him African-American, he's neither from Africa or America). Phil called himself black. Black Boys on the Corner? I'll be damned if he wasn't writing about himself as a kid. Phil knew he was biracial, but had no problem being called black. I view it the same way.
I want it to be known that I'm not a very politically-correct person. I feel that America has become an oversensitive place where people or more worried about feelings and not offending people than being correct, truthful, or just easy-going.
For example, I'm well aware Phil Lynott is half-white, half-black. However, in the course of many casual conversations I have with people, especially ones not that familiar with Lynott or Lizzy, I might say something like 'Lynott was a black-irishman', or 'Lynott was one of the few successful black rock stars', or something like that. By saying this, I'm not denying his half-whiteness, I'm just choosing to accentuate his "blackness", because it makes him more unique. It's technically not dishonest, at least in my mind, because I've always considered a person black if they are 25%, 50%, or 100% black. I don't mean it like I'm a racist. I have black friends, and they've told me they don't mind being called 'black' as opposed to African-American. Some even prefer it. Even the technically bi-racial ones don't mind. I also do it because it's just simple, easy, and to be honest, no one really gives a fuck anyway. But of course, there's always one or two pedantic assholes that want to make a big deal out of something like that. In my mind, making a big deal about someone's race is just pointless anyway, and it's probably half the reason we still have racial problems today, because people just care too much about pointless bullshit such as skin color and being overly PC about it. I like Phil Lynott because what he wrote and sang about, not because of what color he is.
Anyway here is the conversation. Any thoughts about this would be appreciated.
OBAMAisHalfCaste (2 hours ago)
blacksabfan Phil was ~Half Caste~ NOT Black you oviously have never irelands one cultural society..Biracial and Black is different..All biracials are White people with a little more melanin and Tanned skin.Thers white people who go 2 shades darker than phil and Obama when they in hot sunny countries like Spain Africa and Brazil..And heres another suprize (Bob Marley) wasnt black either he was ~Half White~
blacksabfan (1 hour ago)
If someone is visibly black, I call them black. I'm not one to be technical about it. I'm not really into the PC technicalities. I don't care if it's 25%, 50% or 100%. There is nothing factually incorrect about saying Phil Lynott was black. He was. I never said he was 100% black. To be honest I don't even care, I just know he is one of my favorite musicians.
OBAMAisHalfCaste (49 minutes ago)
Well then you are very Dumb and Dull .You cant just labelle peoples ethnicity just because you want them to be something that they are not and never will be.. Phil was White to he was just as much White as he was Black . He belongs to both race groups
blacksabfan (31 minutes ago)
Black and Half-Caste isn't ethnicity. That's race. Ethnicity is Irish, German etc. I mean if you're going to call me dumb and then make a gross error like that, you probably should just stop talking. My point is that in popular culture, if you're part black, you get called black. Right or wrong, that's how it goes. I think everyone that is a fan of Phil Lynott is aware he's not completely black. It's not insulting the man...Phil called himself black. It's an observation that's simplified. If it makes you feel better, if I was writing a term paper on the subject, I would make his racial origin very clear, but in casual conversation I'm going to call him a black irishman. Comphrende?
OBAMAisHalfCaste (18 minutes ago)
Well then you would just be hypocrting yourself writing his real racial background down but then speaking a Lie to ..What is that its nonsence..Listen dude .Phil was Biracial not Black as you already know so give him respect and other biracials respect by calling them that.How would you feel if someone called you Yellow or purple when your not No you are wrong im not here to insult but to bring the truth of god to your eyes..In Africa he is White i have been there and all Biracials are lebeled as White its wrong..And yes most labele them as Black to.But why follow there stupidity and lower yourselfs to there dumbness
blacksabfan (13 minutes ago)
First off, I wouldn't give a shit if someone called me yellow or purple or whatever. I'm more concerned about my accomplishments, which is why I feel stupid arguing about this. Lynott's accomplishments are being belittled because of your hellbent obsession with proving that he's biracial, something that I've never once denied. Secondly, you keep combining race and ethnicity as if they are interchangable. They are not.
Do not comment anymore or you will be banned. End of discussion.
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The fucker then chose to comment on my channel, and I chose to comment back on his, saying that his obsession seemed a bit unhealthy, and that perhaps he could be doing something more important with his life than worrying about whether or not someone is correctly classifying a person's race. Of course, he deleted my comments on his channel, because they might be seen by a person with a brain and they might use some common sense in determining that this guy is a little psychotic. I also made the point that people might take him more seriously if he typed comments without 50 typing errors in them...but what the hell do I know?
His biggest mistake however is that he chooses to use race and ethnicity as if they are interchangible terms. They are not. Race is black, white, hispanic, pacific islander, native american...etc. To be very un-PC about this...race is your color. Ethnicity, on the other hand, has to do with sharing traits through a common heritage. Irish, German, Czech, English, Scottish would be mine. Jews are an ethnic group. Ethnic groups share traits, be it linguistic, cultural, behavioral, religious, etc, and race is just one factor in that. Race can be a common trait within an ethnic group, but it in itself is NOT ethnicity. Phil Lynott was half-black and that is his race, but his ethnicity is wholly Irish. Even though Phil's dad was from British Guyana, I would claim that Phil shares none of ethnic traits associated with Guyana (whatever they are). I really don't see how that can be debated. Likewise there's a lot of white people in South Africa who are in fact African, but they sure as hell aren't black. So they aren't the same.
Basicially I know me going around calling Phil Lynott black is not as accurate as saying he's biracial, and maybe I'm technically wrong, but I'm also saying that I don't really give a fuck and that I understand the truth and just don't see a need to get overly technical about it. I certainly don't feel like calling him black is insulting. (Besides, I can't call him African-American, he's neither from Africa or America). Phil called himself black. Black Boys on the Corner? I'll be damned if he wasn't writing about himself as a kid. Phil knew he was biracial, but had no problem being called black. I view it the same way.
Monday, November 16, 2009
Another YouTube Idiot...
Hey everyone.
I had an interesting conversation today with a gentleman known as Ziggyztarz. It was on the audio clip of "Stop Messing Around" featuring Gary Moore and Phil Lynott trading off vocals. It can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlxwF4GyHO0
Lynott fans will be amused by what is said in the comments section. If you don't want to bother, then I've taken the liberty to copy them here for your amusement. There's a few points I want to be clear about first.
First off, this guy claims to have known Phil Lynott in the early 1970s. Prior to this conversation he had talked about knowing him in Germany and that he somehow "didn't get what was promised to him" or something to that effect. He also went on about "nazi uniforms"...not sure what that was about, but basically I think this guy has a few issues. Lynott probably did have the misfortune of running into this man in Germany in the early 70s and probably realized that he was off his rocker (no pun intended!) and wanted nothing to do with him. That's just my theory. Here's the conversation below:
Ziggyztarz (6 hours ago)
I don't hear Phil singing, are you sure he was with Gary at this concert?
Phil usually sang.......
The Photo is from 'Out in the Fields', ('85) just before Phil died.
What? You don't hear Phil singing?? He sings the whole second half of the song! Not to mention that Gary Moore at the very end says "Phil Lynott...Thank You...Goodnight". Obviously he didn't bother to listen to that part. I hadn't realized this right away, or else I'd have mentioned it sooner, but I thought it was just so blatantly obvious that Lynott was singing that this really wasn't needed...
blacksabfan (5 hours ago)
Yes, Phil sings the whole second part of the song. 2:12-2:33 is Phil.
And yeah, I know the pic is from "Out In the Fields". I took it from a stillframe of the video right from here on YouTube.
Ziggyztarz (5 hours ago)
Sorry, but you are wrong that isn't Phil singing it's Gary. Phil was close to me, I know his voice, this isn't!
Again, why do people think that just because they knew someone, that this makes them more correct?Phil Lynott was there. He sang on that song. Gary Moore thanks him and the audience at the end. It's on the Emerald Islevideo and it's public record. Belfast 1984. It happened, and my ears confirm it. Other people have already commented that they actually SAW it. You're just fucking wrong. I really don't get it.
blacksabfan (4 hours ago)
It's on "The Man and His Music" 7 disc bootleg set. It's definitely Phil in the second part. I've heard enough of Gary Moore and Phil Lynott to tell the difference between the two.
I think you really need to lay off the drugs...I mean this isn't the first post you've made that I've had to go "WTF?!" at.
Maybe the drug thing was underhanded...but c'mon, can you blame me? If you had seen some of the other things this guy has said you'd understand...
Ziggyztarz (1 hour ago)
If you continue to claim to be some kind of 'expert' and also claim the tracks as yours, I am going to FLAG your site. I don't use 'Drugs' your insult is the last straw!
Phil was a friend of mine, it is NOT his voice!
Never once have I claimed the tracks as mine, at least in the sense that "I own them". Yes, I have copies of them and that's what I'm referring to when I speak about them possessively. I didn't write the songs or perform them obviously. I haven't 'poached' other's videos (unlike certain other people). Likewise, I've never claimed to be an expert. I feel that I'm certainly knowledgable, but I don't feel I'm some supreme expert. However, I am sure on this specific point, and there should be ZERO debate about it.
Secondly, how does one 'flag' an entire site? Good luck with that. Not that I'm worried about it, but if I ever get shut down, I'll just get a new account and the songs will go right back up. And then I'll find the person(s) responsible and villianize them to the point where they won't be able to come on YouTube and hear about how much of a douchebag they are. Sure, I've made a few enemies here and there, but I think there's way more people that appreciate what I've done than there are detractors. I'm not going to pretend to like someone if I don't. It's dishonest. And yes, I can really be a jerk sometimes, but I honestly think certain people need that...sometimes being nice to them and trying to explain it rationally just doesn't come across to them. Basically, sometimes people need a kick in the ass. I have no problem doing that, and I'm not too concerned with how others feel about it.
blacksabfan (1 hour ago)
I don't know why you're being so hostile, but go ahead. Flag me for what? Because I disagree with your assessment? I don't know if you knew Phil Lynott or not, but regardless you are WRONG. Just because you supposedly knew Lynott doesn't mean you are automatically correct. For the record this was recorded in Belfast in 1984. It's quite verifiable. I suggest you go do a bit of research before you suggest I am wrong.
So please go ahead. I'm really not that concerned.
And for the record, I've never said I was an expert. However, you don't need to be a master chef to know that a turd sandwich tastes like shit. Catch my drift??
Take the last line to heart guys. It works wonders on those people that THINK they know everything, but in reality know nothing.
I had an interesting conversation today with a gentleman known as Ziggyztarz. It was on the audio clip of "Stop Messing Around" featuring Gary Moore and Phil Lynott trading off vocals. It can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlxwF4GyHO0
Lynott fans will be amused by what is said in the comments section. If you don't want to bother, then I've taken the liberty to copy them here for your amusement. There's a few points I want to be clear about first.
First off, this guy claims to have known Phil Lynott in the early 1970s. Prior to this conversation he had talked about knowing him in Germany and that he somehow "didn't get what was promised to him" or something to that effect. He also went on about "nazi uniforms"...not sure what that was about, but basically I think this guy has a few issues. Lynott probably did have the misfortune of running into this man in Germany in the early 70s and probably realized that he was off his rocker (no pun intended!) and wanted nothing to do with him. That's just my theory. Here's the conversation below:
Ziggyztarz (6 hours ago)
I don't hear Phil singing, are you sure he was with Gary at this concert?
Phil usually sang.......
The Photo is from 'Out in the Fields', ('85) just before Phil died.
What? You don't hear Phil singing?? He sings the whole second half of the song! Not to mention that Gary Moore at the very end says "Phil Lynott...Thank You...Goodnight". Obviously he didn't bother to listen to that part. I hadn't realized this right away, or else I'd have mentioned it sooner, but I thought it was just so blatantly obvious that Lynott was singing that this really wasn't needed...
blacksabfan (5 hours ago)
Yes, Phil sings the whole second part of the song. 2:12-2:33 is Phil.
And yeah, I know the pic is from "Out In the Fields". I took it from a stillframe of the video right from here on YouTube.
Ziggyztarz (5 hours ago)
Sorry, but you are wrong that isn't Phil singing it's Gary. Phil was close to me, I know his voice, this isn't!
Again, why do people think that just because they knew someone, that this makes them more correct?Phil Lynott was there. He sang on that song. Gary Moore thanks him and the audience at the end. It's on the Emerald Islevideo and it's public record. Belfast 1984. It happened, and my ears confirm it. Other people have already commented that they actually SAW it. You're just fucking wrong. I really don't get it.
blacksabfan (4 hours ago)
It's on "The Man and His Music" 7 disc bootleg set. It's definitely Phil in the second part. I've heard enough of Gary Moore and Phil Lynott to tell the difference between the two.
I think you really need to lay off the drugs...I mean this isn't the first post you've made that I've had to go "WTF?!" at.
Maybe the drug thing was underhanded...but c'mon, can you blame me? If you had seen some of the other things this guy has said you'd understand...
Ziggyztarz (1 hour ago)
If you continue to claim to be some kind of 'expert' and also claim the tracks as yours, I am going to FLAG your site. I don't use 'Drugs' your insult is the last straw!
Phil was a friend of mine, it is NOT his voice!
Never once have I claimed the tracks as mine, at least in the sense that "I own them". Yes, I have copies of them and that's what I'm referring to when I speak about them possessively. I didn't write the songs or perform them obviously. I haven't 'poached' other's videos (unlike certain other people). Likewise, I've never claimed to be an expert. I feel that I'm certainly knowledgable, but I don't feel I'm some supreme expert. However, I am sure on this specific point, and there should be ZERO debate about it.
Secondly, how does one 'flag' an entire site? Good luck with that. Not that I'm worried about it, but if I ever get shut down, I'll just get a new account and the songs will go right back up. And then I'll find the person(s) responsible and villianize them to the point where they won't be able to come on YouTube and hear about how much of a douchebag they are. Sure, I've made a few enemies here and there, but I think there's way more people that appreciate what I've done than there are detractors. I'm not going to pretend to like someone if I don't. It's dishonest. And yes, I can really be a jerk sometimes, but I honestly think certain people need that...sometimes being nice to them and trying to explain it rationally just doesn't come across to them. Basically, sometimes people need a kick in the ass. I have no problem doing that, and I'm not too concerned with how others feel about it.
blacksabfan (1 hour ago)
I don't know why you're being so hostile, but go ahead. Flag me for what? Because I disagree with your assessment? I don't know if you knew Phil Lynott or not, but regardless you are WRONG. Just because you supposedly knew Lynott doesn't mean you are automatically correct. For the record this was recorded in Belfast in 1984. It's quite verifiable. I suggest you go do a bit of research before you suggest I am wrong.
So please go ahead. I'm really not that concerned.
And for the record, I've never said I was an expert. However, you don't need to be a master chef to know that a turd sandwich tastes like shit. Catch my drift??
Take the last line to heart guys. It works wonders on those people that THINK they know everything, but in reality know nothing.
Tuesday, November 3, 2009
Help with lyrics for rare Lynott tracks.
Hi everyone. Sorry for the extended absence. I've been working like a mad man.
Lately, I've been getting several requests for lyrics to some of the rare Lynott/Grand Slam/Lizzy songs. Obviously I can't just look them up online and post them, because they haven't been posted by anyone else. So, I've painstakingly tried to transcribe some of them myself...which has led to mixed results.
Here's where you come in. I'm requesting help to transcribe any songs that I've posted related to Lizzy and Lynott. This also goes for any Sabbath fans who would like to transcribe any of the alternate versions of Paranoid and MoR tracks that I've posted. It's more beneficial to have several sets of ears than it is just one. People hear differently and I think it's a good way to get involved. If anyone is willing to help me out, I'd be more than happy to pass along some stuff from my collection.
If you decide to transcribe a song, just go ahead and comment on it and you can either post your work there in the comments section, pm it to me at YouTube, or email it to me at sweeneyrp@hotmail.com. Even if you can only get a few lines of a song...anything is helpful.
For example, one tough song I've been having trouble with is "She Cries" by Grand Slam. The quality isn't the greatest and I can't make out significant portions. Another user gave his input and while some of it I think it is correct, there's other parts that I totally disagree with, and that emphasizes the importance of having several people listen to it. I'd like to be able to get a lot of these songs transcribed correctly (or as best as possible) so they can be posted on lyric sites.
The "Real Canadian" James Taylor (www.trcjt.ca/ab950/lizzy.html) also has attempted to post lyrics to some of the rarer tracks (notably Revolution, Catholic Charm, and Don't Let Him Slip Away). I, however, do not hear the same things he heard when he created his transcription of the lyrics. I could go into this in detail but it's not important. If you're truly interested, compare my transcription of Don't Let Him Slip Away against his transcription and check out the differences. I'm not saying he's wrong and I'm right...I very well could be wrong...but I'd like some more opinions on the subject. For the record, his page is amazing and he obviously has taken a lot of time over the years compiling all that information. If you haven't checked out his page, you should.
That's all I got for now. Should have a new post up sometime this week.
Ryan
Lately, I've been getting several requests for lyrics to some of the rare Lynott/Grand Slam/Lizzy songs. Obviously I can't just look them up online and post them, because they haven't been posted by anyone else. So, I've painstakingly tried to transcribe some of them myself...which has led to mixed results.
Here's where you come in. I'm requesting help to transcribe any songs that I've posted related to Lizzy and Lynott. This also goes for any Sabbath fans who would like to transcribe any of the alternate versions of Paranoid and MoR tracks that I've posted. It's more beneficial to have several sets of ears than it is just one. People hear differently and I think it's a good way to get involved. If anyone is willing to help me out, I'd be more than happy to pass along some stuff from my collection.
If you decide to transcribe a song, just go ahead and comment on it and you can either post your work there in the comments section, pm it to me at YouTube, or email it to me at sweeneyrp@hotmail.com. Even if you can only get a few lines of a song...anything is helpful.
For example, one tough song I've been having trouble with is "She Cries" by Grand Slam. The quality isn't the greatest and I can't make out significant portions. Another user gave his input and while some of it I think it is correct, there's other parts that I totally disagree with, and that emphasizes the importance of having several people listen to it. I'd like to be able to get a lot of these songs transcribed correctly (or as best as possible) so they can be posted on lyric sites.
The "Real Canadian" James Taylor (www.trcjt.ca/ab950/lizzy.html) also has attempted to post lyrics to some of the rarer tracks (notably Revolution, Catholic Charm, and Don't Let Him Slip Away). I, however, do not hear the same things he heard when he created his transcription of the lyrics. I could go into this in detail but it's not important. If you're truly interested, compare my transcription of Don't Let Him Slip Away against his transcription and check out the differences. I'm not saying he's wrong and I'm right...I very well could be wrong...but I'd like some more opinions on the subject. For the record, his page is amazing and he obviously has taken a lot of time over the years compiling all that information. If you haven't checked out his page, you should.
That's all I got for now. Should have a new post up sometime this week.
Ryan
Wednesday, September 2, 2009
Anyone interested in Lizzy/Lynott needs to read this.
I got some nice comments from this user named nothinbutblue, so I decided to check out his/her page. I'm not going to give it away, but you really need to go see it for yourselves. There's 3 damn good things posted on it, and anyone that likes my stuff needs to check this user and give him/her massive praise.
http://www.youtube.com/user/nothinbutblue
As for the few of you that have already seen it...WHY DIDN'T YOU GUYS LET ME KNOW???!!!
Remember to thank them too. Hopefully they don't get put through the same hell I was...
http://www.youtube.com/user/nothinbutblue
As for the few of you that have already seen it...WHY DIDN'T YOU GUYS LET ME KNOW???!!!
Remember to thank them too. Hopefully they don't get put through the same hell I was...
Wednesday, August 26, 2009
Idiot #3. I said I'd have 5 before the year was over...
I thought I'd share this funny exchange with you all. It was posted here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3TRfk2KuqE
It starts out innocently enough with a guy giving a simple but perfectly reasonable opinion.
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zzellner9 (3 days ago)
its good but id say megolomania,sabbath bloody sabbath,thrill of it all,and under the sun have to be some of their all time best
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Fair enough right? Then of course an asshole shows up. There's many different kinds of assholes that post stupid shit in the comments of my videos. Usually I complain about the types that are about 14 years old and don't know jackshit about anything, but this is the polar opposite of that. The guy I'm talking about is the 40 some year old Ozzy-sabbath only fan that thinks he knows everything, and that anyone younger than him knows absolutely nothing. Of course he makes no distinctions...if you're younger, you're automatically an idiot. See where I'm going with this...I'm sure all of you have had to deal with someone like this at some point in your lives. Anyway, our douchebag idiot friend shows up and responds to zzellner9.
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cholulasaucehot (18 hours ago)
nah......sabbath's best ? best ever ? let me think kid...i'll shoot from the hipi'll list sabbath's best songs ever (not in order) here we gowheels of confusion/the straightenerhand of doomwarning/behind the wall of sleep/n.i.bkilling yourself to livefairies wear bootsafter foreverthe writunder the sun----megolomania ? lol not even close, bloody sabbath a classic, but sabatoge was weak and the writ is all thats worthy !
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This is what irriatates me. It's not the fact he has a differing opinion. It's his haughty know-it-all attitude. Calling people "kid", and trying to act like he's some epic all-knowing Sabbath badass by saying he's going to "shoot from the hip" and name a whopping 10 songs that are automatically the greatest, and fuck what anyone else says. He makes it sound like fucking Iommi himself decreed that those songs are best and he's right and everyone else is just a stupid punk kid. That's what I hate. It's that attitude. Important lesson...it's not always the opinion you have about something, it's how you deliver it. I can deliver my opinions in a very civil manner, or I can be the biggest dick in the world. Word choice and tone is really the only difference. So here's how I responded to the douche. I think it was fair.
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blacksabfan (16 hours ago)
You make it sound like there is some definitive list of Sabbath's best songs that is 100% fact. Ha. I think Megalomania is one of their best songs, and I know a few other people who think like I do. I also don't think Fairies Wear Boots belongs in any Sabbath top ten. I don't think Warning belongs in a top ten either. It's not even an original...I wouldn't normally give a shit about this, but you calling people "kid" and talking like you're some expert makes you look like a douche.
I got a little harsh at the end, but I'm opinionated. You don't call anyone kid unless they mouth off or say something stupid. That's the only time I've ever used it.
Of course the douchebag responds. This time I'm going to receive his wrath.
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cholulasaucehot (15 hours ago)
warning isnt an original ?drop your nut sack kidthen talk to mewarning is argueably the best fuckin song off the "original" BLACK SABBATH/BLACK SABBATHdont put your lack of knowledge against my sabbath wisdom....douchebet you don't even know what half the songs are abouthow could you ? you dont know wether your ass is punched or bored so shut your face kiddo
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Wow. Now he's not only acting like an idiot. He's proving that he is one. "Warning" is a cover. Most Sabbath fans know this. I'm not even sure what he's going for in the last line, but it's sort of hilarious. I also like how he made a list and said Warning was one of their greatest songs...but then throws in the word "argueably". Dipshit, if something is arguable, then that means it can be debated. It's not automatic fact. One minute he is spouting off something like it's concrete fact and the next it's arguable. What a fucking tool. I guess it's on now...
Oh, and I should mention...this guy subscribed to my channel 5 hrs before his comment. Obviously he liked my work...so I'm not really sure why he's trying to pick a fight with me. I also don't understand why he thinks I'm an idiot, when I've posted 150+ Sabbath audios and seem to know at least a little bit about those...so you'd have to think I might know just a little bit about Sabbath...just a little...
See why I get pissed off?...there's nothing in anything he's saying or doing that remotely makes any logical sense.
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blacksabfan (12 hours ago)
You shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you...ever hear that quote?
Since you're obviously an idiot, let me enlighten you. "Warning" was first written and performed by Aynsley Dunbar's 'Retaliation'. It is a COVER. Go look it up if you want. I already did. Way to make a complete ass of yourself...
Oh, and after my nuts drop, do you want to suck on them for me? That would be fantastic. Thanks. Can't wait for your next message. I'm sure you'll further enlighten us all...
cholulasaucehot (1 hour ago)
i dont give a shit if it isa cover...its off their first album 20 years before you were born...furthermore its still better than whatever i said it was better than in my previous postsabbath got worse as they went along not betterbut you and the other dopey kids in here feel just the opposite...fuck sabatoge it just cant compare to the earlier stuff periodthats an opinion the majority would hold without doubt ps. fuck you man
i'm fuckin 17 years older than you punkjust because you read a little fine print inside an album cover....(i mean dvd sleave, your to young to have ever enjoyed albums) you think you know somethingyou know nothing.......in 1985 when you were born i was a junior in high school and had already been listening to sabbath for 5 years (7th grade) by the time you picked up a sabbath tape in say the year 2000 i was 32 years old and listening to my wife yell, your a punk kid is all
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Well I like how he sidestepped the whole '"Warning" isn't a cover' issue. And as usual, the douchebag 40+ year old Ozzy Sabbath fan retorts to spouting off about his age. As if that somehow makes you superior. Just like owning LPs somehow makes you superior. Last time I checked age was a number and it had nothing to do with how smart a person is.
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blacksabfan (10 minutes ago)
I know lots of idiots who are older than me, I also know a few people younger than me who are smarter than I was when I was their age...what the fuck is your point exactly? I don't need to hear your life story. I don't give a fuck what supposed credentials you THINK you have that makes you an 'expert'. You're not. You got owned. I never even said Sabotage as a whole was better than any of their earlier albums. Just the one song. Reading comprehension really isn't your thing though I guess.
Nevermind that you actually subscribed to my channel, presumably because you like what I post, but then turn around and talk shit to me like I don't have a clue about anything. That will definitely bring out my good side...dolt. Yeah, I only posted all this stuff and I don't know ANYTHING about it. Nevermind that this issue started because of a difference of PERSONAL OPINION. Then you mouthed off and blew it out of porportion.That's what douches like yourself do though. Enjoy the ban asshole.
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Last night, I also personally sent him a PM congratulating him on being the fastest person to subscribe and then be forcibly unsubscribed by me. He's also the first person to receive a lifetime ban. Usually the people I ban get about a year tops and I delete the list and start over. Hey, I'm a forgiving guy. I hope that idiots reflect on their actions and come back a year later as smarter people...especially since most of them are young anyway. Too bad this idiot isn't young. He's a 41 year old that acts like he's 5, so he will get no sympathy from me. All he gets is to be one of my 5 nominees for idiot of the year. I think he's in the lead right now...although 'expiredgoose' is still a possible winner too... maybe someone else will step up and prove that this isn't the dumbest person I've ever had the misfortune of talking to.
It starts out innocently enough with a guy giving a simple but perfectly reasonable opinion.
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zzellner9 (3 days ago)
its good but id say megolomania,sabbath bloody sabbath,thrill of it all,and under the sun have to be some of their all time best
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Fair enough right? Then of course an asshole shows up. There's many different kinds of assholes that post stupid shit in the comments of my videos. Usually I complain about the types that are about 14 years old and don't know jackshit about anything, but this is the polar opposite of that. The guy I'm talking about is the 40 some year old Ozzy-sabbath only fan that thinks he knows everything, and that anyone younger than him knows absolutely nothing. Of course he makes no distinctions...if you're younger, you're automatically an idiot. See where I'm going with this...I'm sure all of you have had to deal with someone like this at some point in your lives. Anyway, our douchebag idiot friend shows up and responds to zzellner9.
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cholulasaucehot (18 hours ago)
nah......sabbath's best ? best ever ? let me think kid...i'll shoot from the hipi'll list sabbath's best songs ever (not in order) here we gowheels of confusion/the straightenerhand of doomwarning/behind the wall of sleep/n.i.bkilling yourself to livefairies wear bootsafter foreverthe writunder the sun----megolomania ? lol not even close, bloody sabbath a classic, but sabatoge was weak and the writ is all thats worthy !
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This is what irriatates me. It's not the fact he has a differing opinion. It's his haughty know-it-all attitude. Calling people "kid", and trying to act like he's some epic all-knowing Sabbath badass by saying he's going to "shoot from the hip" and name a whopping 10 songs that are automatically the greatest, and fuck what anyone else says. He makes it sound like fucking Iommi himself decreed that those songs are best and he's right and everyone else is just a stupid punk kid. That's what I hate. It's that attitude. Important lesson...it's not always the opinion you have about something, it's how you deliver it. I can deliver my opinions in a very civil manner, or I can be the biggest dick in the world. Word choice and tone is really the only difference. So here's how I responded to the douche. I think it was fair.
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blacksabfan (16 hours ago)
You make it sound like there is some definitive list of Sabbath's best songs that is 100% fact. Ha. I think Megalomania is one of their best songs, and I know a few other people who think like I do. I also don't think Fairies Wear Boots belongs in any Sabbath top ten. I don't think Warning belongs in a top ten either. It's not even an original...I wouldn't normally give a shit about this, but you calling people "kid" and talking like you're some expert makes you look like a douche.
I got a little harsh at the end, but I'm opinionated. You don't call anyone kid unless they mouth off or say something stupid. That's the only time I've ever used it.
Of course the douchebag responds. This time I'm going to receive his wrath.
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cholulasaucehot (15 hours ago)
warning isnt an original ?drop your nut sack kidthen talk to mewarning is argueably the best fuckin song off the "original" BLACK SABBATH/BLACK SABBATHdont put your lack of knowledge against my sabbath wisdom....douchebet you don't even know what half the songs are abouthow could you ? you dont know wether your ass is punched or bored so shut your face kiddo
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Wow. Now he's not only acting like an idiot. He's proving that he is one. "Warning" is a cover. Most Sabbath fans know this. I'm not even sure what he's going for in the last line, but it's sort of hilarious. I also like how he made a list and said Warning was one of their greatest songs...but then throws in the word "argueably". Dipshit, if something is arguable, then that means it can be debated. It's not automatic fact. One minute he is spouting off something like it's concrete fact and the next it's arguable. What a fucking tool. I guess it's on now...
Oh, and I should mention...this guy subscribed to my channel 5 hrs before his comment. Obviously he liked my work...so I'm not really sure why he's trying to pick a fight with me. I also don't understand why he thinks I'm an idiot, when I've posted 150+ Sabbath audios and seem to know at least a little bit about those...so you'd have to think I might know just a little bit about Sabbath...just a little...
See why I get pissed off?...there's nothing in anything he's saying or doing that remotely makes any logical sense.
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blacksabfan (12 hours ago)
You shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you...ever hear that quote?
Since you're obviously an idiot, let me enlighten you. "Warning" was first written and performed by Aynsley Dunbar's 'Retaliation'. It is a COVER. Go look it up if you want. I already did. Way to make a complete ass of yourself...
Oh, and after my nuts drop, do you want to suck on them for me? That would be fantastic. Thanks. Can't wait for your next message. I'm sure you'll further enlighten us all...
cholulasaucehot (1 hour ago)
i dont give a shit if it isa cover...its off their first album 20 years before you were born...furthermore its still better than whatever i said it was better than in my previous postsabbath got worse as they went along not betterbut you and the other dopey kids in here feel just the opposite...fuck sabatoge it just cant compare to the earlier stuff periodthats an opinion the majority would hold without doubt ps. fuck you man
i'm fuckin 17 years older than you punkjust because you read a little fine print inside an album cover....(i mean dvd sleave, your to young to have ever enjoyed albums) you think you know somethingyou know nothing.......in 1985 when you were born i was a junior in high school and had already been listening to sabbath for 5 years (7th grade) by the time you picked up a sabbath tape in say the year 2000 i was 32 years old and listening to my wife yell, your a punk kid is all
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Well I like how he sidestepped the whole '"Warning" isn't a cover' issue. And as usual, the douchebag 40+ year old Ozzy Sabbath fan retorts to spouting off about his age. As if that somehow makes you superior. Just like owning LPs somehow makes you superior. Last time I checked age was a number and it had nothing to do with how smart a person is.
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blacksabfan (10 minutes ago)
I know lots of idiots who are older than me, I also know a few people younger than me who are smarter than I was when I was their age...what the fuck is your point exactly? I don't need to hear your life story. I don't give a fuck what supposed credentials you THINK you have that makes you an 'expert'. You're not. You got owned. I never even said Sabotage as a whole was better than any of their earlier albums. Just the one song. Reading comprehension really isn't your thing though I guess.
Nevermind that you actually subscribed to my channel, presumably because you like what I post, but then turn around and talk shit to me like I don't have a clue about anything. That will definitely bring out my good side...dolt. Yeah, I only posted all this stuff and I don't know ANYTHING about it. Nevermind that this issue started because of a difference of PERSONAL OPINION. Then you mouthed off and blew it out of porportion.That's what douches like yourself do though. Enjoy the ban asshole.
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Last night, I also personally sent him a PM congratulating him on being the fastest person to subscribe and then be forcibly unsubscribed by me. He's also the first person to receive a lifetime ban. Usually the people I ban get about a year tops and I delete the list and start over. Hey, I'm a forgiving guy. I hope that idiots reflect on their actions and come back a year later as smarter people...especially since most of them are young anyway. Too bad this idiot isn't young. He's a 41 year old that acts like he's 5, so he will get no sympathy from me. All he gets is to be one of my 5 nominees for idiot of the year. I think he's in the lead right now...although 'expiredgoose' is still a possible winner too... maybe someone else will step up and prove that this isn't the dumbest person I've ever had the misfortune of talking to.
Monday, August 17, 2009
6 more songs for you Lynott diehards.
Hi again everyone.
Here's another link with 6 more rare Lynott tracks from the 1984-1985 period. The only difference between these and the other links is that these tracks are in .mp3 @ 256kbps. For these tracks it's the best available quality that I personally have. If anyone has something better, I'd be more than happy to hear from you...or better yet, post it on a torrent or something and let everyone enjoy them.
The tracks are:
Samantha
No More (w/Steve Johnson)
Revolution (w/Steve Johnson)
Guiding Light
What's the Matter Baby (w/Junior Giscombe)
Catholic Charm
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LO9DMNGA
This brings me to my second point. I've been contacted by a few people about some of the shows I requested in an earlier post, a few of which were posted within the last two years on places like DIME and TTD. I've never been a big trader mostly do to the time and prep work it takes to work out a trade-with addition to having a couple bad experiences along the way. Besides that, I've always never been truly possessive over the music that is in my collection. It's just that--music. I've never understood why people boast huge collections and then never share any of it (or only share when something amazing appears.) I'd just like to make an appeal to people:
Share your stuff.
I know for a fact my collection could of been a lot bigger had I decided to trade shows to a select few, rather than share them over the net with everyone. I decided against this a long time ago, and that I would much rather allow people to hear it for free (truly for free) than to boast an insane collection, only to be despised and accused of being in it for some kind of ego-driven purpose. I've been accused of having one anyway with the whole YouTube page and my sometimes heavy-handed way of dealing with people, but I like to think of myself as quite humble, at least in person and to those I truly care about.
I'm not out of stuff to post. I have plenty of Sabbath material, some Lizzy interviews, a few tracks here and there...but someday I'm sure I will be. I know I've made enemies in the trading world with how I've gone about things. I don't care though, I'm 100% convinced I've done the right thing, although because of it, I know I'm sort of blacklisted from some people's trading pools. Also, I don't intend on posting 74 versions of the "Boys are Back In Town" or "Paranoid" just to stay relevant on YouTube. Once I feel I've exhaused my collection...that's it. I'll have done my part. I guess I'm hoping that a few other people out there (and some have) step up and continue to post, or some new people start posting gems from their collections. It's not about entitlement or trying to get something for free. I truly believe its the right thing to do. I might have rare tracks in my collection, but I certainly don't feel that I 'own' them, or that I'm more entitled to them than anyone else, hence the reason I share everything I get my hands on in the first place. I just happen to be lucky to have them.
I make this request now because it's the anniversary of what would of been Mr. Philip Lynott's 60th birthday on Thursday. I would love to see people who have shows, even if they might be fairly common or not long absent from the torrent trackers on DIME, TTD, TapeCity, etc. to make an appearance come Wed-Fri. I mean what better occasion is there? What is there to wait for? Rapture? Remember, you can't take it with you.
I myself will let the cat out of the bag now and say that I am uploading a show on TTD. I don't want to say which one, but it's a good one. I've had it almost a year now and have been careful not to post anything from it, just for this occasion. However, if things don't change, it might be the last Lizzy/Lynott related thing I offer on any torrent tracker. I know there's people out there with shows and while there's a few that have done so much already...there's other people that can do so much more.
"Now the time has come to use our guns...now's the time to let it all go..."
Blacksabfan
Here's another link with 6 more rare Lynott tracks from the 1984-1985 period. The only difference between these and the other links is that these tracks are in .mp3 @ 256kbps. For these tracks it's the best available quality that I personally have. If anyone has something better, I'd be more than happy to hear from you...or better yet, post it on a torrent or something and let everyone enjoy them.
The tracks are:
Samantha
No More (w/Steve Johnson)
Revolution (w/Steve Johnson)
Guiding Light
What's the Matter Baby (w/Junior Giscombe)
Catholic Charm
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LO9DMNGA
This brings me to my second point. I've been contacted by a few people about some of the shows I requested in an earlier post, a few of which were posted within the last two years on places like DIME and TTD. I've never been a big trader mostly do to the time and prep work it takes to work out a trade-with addition to having a couple bad experiences along the way. Besides that, I've always never been truly possessive over the music that is in my collection. It's just that--music. I've never understood why people boast huge collections and then never share any of it (or only share when something amazing appears.) I'd just like to make an appeal to people:
Share your stuff.
I know for a fact my collection could of been a lot bigger had I decided to trade shows to a select few, rather than share them over the net with everyone. I decided against this a long time ago, and that I would much rather allow people to hear it for free (truly for free) than to boast an insane collection, only to be despised and accused of being in it for some kind of ego-driven purpose. I've been accused of having one anyway with the whole YouTube page and my sometimes heavy-handed way of dealing with people, but I like to think of myself as quite humble, at least in person and to those I truly care about.
I'm not out of stuff to post. I have plenty of Sabbath material, some Lizzy interviews, a few tracks here and there...but someday I'm sure I will be. I know I've made enemies in the trading world with how I've gone about things. I don't care though, I'm 100% convinced I've done the right thing, although because of it, I know I'm sort of blacklisted from some people's trading pools. Also, I don't intend on posting 74 versions of the "Boys are Back In Town" or "Paranoid" just to stay relevant on YouTube. Once I feel I've exhaused my collection...that's it. I'll have done my part. I guess I'm hoping that a few other people out there (and some have) step up and continue to post, or some new people start posting gems from their collections. It's not about entitlement or trying to get something for free. I truly believe its the right thing to do. I might have rare tracks in my collection, but I certainly don't feel that I 'own' them, or that I'm more entitled to them than anyone else, hence the reason I share everything I get my hands on in the first place. I just happen to be lucky to have them.
I make this request now because it's the anniversary of what would of been Mr. Philip Lynott's 60th birthday on Thursday. I would love to see people who have shows, even if they might be fairly common or not long absent from the torrent trackers on DIME, TTD, TapeCity, etc. to make an appearance come Wed-Fri. I mean what better occasion is there? What is there to wait for? Rapture? Remember, you can't take it with you.
I myself will let the cat out of the bag now and say that I am uploading a show on TTD. I don't want to say which one, but it's a good one. I've had it almost a year now and have been careful not to post anything from it, just for this occasion. However, if things don't change, it might be the last Lizzy/Lynott related thing I offer on any torrent tracker. I know there's people out there with shows and while there's a few that have done so much already...there's other people that can do so much more.
"Now the time has come to use our guns...now's the time to let it all go..."
Blacksabfan
Saturday, August 15, 2009
Thunder & Lightning Demos
Here's another link.
This is the complete set of Thunder and Lightning Demos. 12 tracks. Includes two versions of Baby Please Don't Go, and as requested by many people, the two versions of "Don't Let Him/It Slip Away". There's also a demo of "Cold Sweat" with different lyrics, a demo of "Holy War" with different lyrics, and a few others. This is also in .flac, so again, if you want to convert it, please do it for your own personal use.
Thanks and enjoy.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ODO477ET
This is the complete set of Thunder and Lightning Demos. 12 tracks. Includes two versions of Baby Please Don't Go, and as requested by many people, the two versions of "Don't Let Him/It Slip Away". There's also a demo of "Cold Sweat" with different lyrics, a demo of "Holy War" with different lyrics, and a few others. This is also in .flac, so again, if you want to convert it, please do it for your own personal use.
Thanks and enjoy.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ODO477ET
Friday, August 14, 2009
Links to rare Lynott tracks.
Hi all.
Phil Lynott's 60th Birthday is coming up next week, and to get the party started off right, I plan on posting a few links around on some of the places I frequent on the net. That includes my blog.
A few people have requested copies of these so I'll make them available here. They are in FLAC however, so if you want to convert them to .mp3, you'll have to do it yourself. There's a lot of ways to do this, so if you don't know how, consult Google. All I ask is that they don't get reposted in .mp3 format. I'll be posting these links (including some others I haven't made yet) on various websites, but if you know of a friend who doesn't frequent those websites or if you want to post them on your own blogs, that's totally fine with me.
Without further ado...
Freedom Comes, Hard Times, and Partner In Crime
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EDTQGGI4
He Fell Like A Soldier and Time (and Again)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZD11DOKE
I should have more links this weekend and into next week. I also have a brand new torrent planned for upload on TheTradersDen. Stay tuned.
Ryan
Phil Lynott's 60th Birthday is coming up next week, and to get the party started off right, I plan on posting a few links around on some of the places I frequent on the net. That includes my blog.
A few people have requested copies of these so I'll make them available here. They are in FLAC however, so if you want to convert them to .mp3, you'll have to do it yourself. There's a lot of ways to do this, so if you don't know how, consult Google. All I ask is that they don't get reposted in .mp3 format. I'll be posting these links (including some others I haven't made yet) on various websites, but if you know of a friend who doesn't frequent those websites or if you want to post them on your own blogs, that's totally fine with me.
Without further ado...
Freedom Comes, Hard Times, and Partner In Crime
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EDTQGGI4
He Fell Like A Soldier and Time (and Again)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZD11DOKE
I should have more links this weekend and into next week. I also have a brand new torrent planned for upload on TheTradersDen. Stay tuned.
Ryan
Friday, July 24, 2009
Just checking in...
Hi everyone,
I know it's been awhile, but I've just returned from Wisconsin and now I'm back in Ohio. Once I get everything returned to how it was before I left, I should be ready to post some more stuff on YouTube. There is only one more big project left to get out of the way, which I will explain below.
Right now, I am putting together a master list of all the shows I've collected. This includes all the lossless Black Sabbath and Thin Lizzy shows in my collection. This will also include shows from other artists that I've collected bits and pieces of; for example, I have all of Led Zeppelin's shows from 1979 and 1980, tons of UFO from 1975-1983, many shows by The Who, a few Dio shows, a few Ozzy shows with Randy Rhoads, some early shows by The Cars, a little Metallica and Megadeth, and a few other odds and ends. As I make the list, the shows will be put onto discs, and once and for all, I can be caught up. It will also come in handy should I decide to resume actively trading. Right now I'm not because I don't have time, but when it gets to be September/October, I should be ready to trade with a few people.
If you're interested, let me know by leaving me a message at YouTube, or you can email me personally at sweeneyrp@hotmail.com. Keep in mind it won't be right away, and I can't meet every trade request, and I also might not be interested in certain things. When my master list is finished, anyone who wants a copy just needs to ask and I'll email it out.
One more thing...I'm looking for a couple shows that I used to have but have lost since I transitioned to a new computer. If anyone has them, I would be interested in acquiring them. Keep in mind that I'm looking for them in lossless quality (.wav/.flac/.shn). The shows are:
Thin Lizzy 1983-03-19 Glasgow, Scotland (full audience recording -lost it)
Thin Lizzy 1983-05-19 Tokyo, Japan (only have this in .mp3)
Black Sabbath 1980-11-21 "The Last Sacrament"
Black Sabbath 1989-11-25 (both the afternoon and night shows, only have in .mp3)
Grand Slam 1984-10-27 Wishaw, Scotland (full audience recording - lost it)
This is it. I know a few of you out there have these shows...a couple of which you probably received the same time I did because they were on DIME and I just must have deleted them. I have some stuff I can trade for them...stuff I haven't posted and am just sitting on, so any reasonable trades will be considered.
Have a good one everyone.
Ryan
I know it's been awhile, but I've just returned from Wisconsin and now I'm back in Ohio. Once I get everything returned to how it was before I left, I should be ready to post some more stuff on YouTube. There is only one more big project left to get out of the way, which I will explain below.
Right now, I am putting together a master list of all the shows I've collected. This includes all the lossless Black Sabbath and Thin Lizzy shows in my collection. This will also include shows from other artists that I've collected bits and pieces of; for example, I have all of Led Zeppelin's shows from 1979 and 1980, tons of UFO from 1975-1983, many shows by The Who, a few Dio shows, a few Ozzy shows with Randy Rhoads, some early shows by The Cars, a little Metallica and Megadeth, and a few other odds and ends. As I make the list, the shows will be put onto discs, and once and for all, I can be caught up. It will also come in handy should I decide to resume actively trading. Right now I'm not because I don't have time, but when it gets to be September/October, I should be ready to trade with a few people.
If you're interested, let me know by leaving me a message at YouTube, or you can email me personally at sweeneyrp@hotmail.com. Keep in mind it won't be right away, and I can't meet every trade request, and I also might not be interested in certain things. When my master list is finished, anyone who wants a copy just needs to ask and I'll email it out.
One more thing...I'm looking for a couple shows that I used to have but have lost since I transitioned to a new computer. If anyone has them, I would be interested in acquiring them. Keep in mind that I'm looking for them in lossless quality (.wav/.flac/.shn). The shows are:
Thin Lizzy 1983-05-19 Tokyo, Japan (only have this in .mp3)
Black Sabbath 1989-11-25 (both the afternoon and night shows, only have in .mp3)
This is it. I know a few of you out there have these shows...a couple of which you probably received the same time I did because they were on DIME and I just must have deleted them. I have some stuff I can trade for them...stuff I haven't posted and am just sitting on, so any reasonable trades will be considered.
Have a good one everyone.
Ryan
Tuesday, June 16, 2009
AXLVFLYER/ZODIAKFV needs to get a fucking clue.
Hi Everyone.
Today I decided to log into my YouTube account and found a cute little message left by my friend AXLVFLYER to a response I made on one of his posts. For those of you who don't know him, he posts various rock videos and songs, a lot like I do, but also more videos. A lot of his material falls into the same category as mine: bootlegged ROIOs and DVDs. This stuff is acceptable to posts and its why him and I have remained in good standing with the powers-to-be at YouTube.
I will say this though. We don't like each other.
AXLVFLYER is an uninformed noob. He has at least 3 different channels he operates under different, but similar names. He has thousands of videos total...making my channel small in comparison. He has a lot of great footage, but he ticks me off for two big reasons.
1) Many of his videos are things someone else had already posted
2) Several of his videos give incorrect/misleading information
Now I normally wouldn't give a shit if a person resposted something I posted. I just don't. Other people came to me first and mentioned him and how he had taken videos from other people and reposted them in his channel. I didn't want to get involved...that's between them and AXL. That didn't stop me from checking out AXL/ZODIAFKV's channel though (he has two main ones). Right off the bat I noticed he had posted some Lizzy from the Peel Sessions discs which he had titled as "alternate studio tracks". That's obviously not true. The Peel Sessions discs are pretty well-known in the Lizzy trading community. Additionally, he posted many of the same tracks I had posted at least a year prior. A simple YouTube search would of shown that...and wouldn't have taken more than two seconds. Reposting I can live with, but if you're gonna post something, don't try to pass it off as something it's clearly not. So I began to have a nice conversation with AXL about this. This is located here:
blacksabfan (2 months ago) Show Hide
A good track...although I liked it better when I posted it about a year ago...
AXEFLYERFV (2 months ago) Show Hide
I posted it in 2006,AXEMAN313 & MADAXEMAN13,old accounts aswell,thnx for tuning in Sab,great tracks on your page as alwasys!
blacksabfan (2 months ago) Show Hide
I remember the second of those accounts. There's absolutely no way it was up when I posted it, or I wouldn't of posted it again, because I don't believe in stepping on other's toes. It undermines their work, and I'm not much into doing that to others. Even it was posted back in '06 (which I doubt), if you delete your account and someone else posts it, then in my mind you're S.O.L.Besides, I've seen you've made quite a habit out of repackaging the work of others to promote your own page.
AXEFLYERFV (2 months ago) Show Hide
what the hell do you mean repacking the works of others,to promote my own page,I'm not promoting anything or copying videos of others,you gotta keep in mind that you or I don't own the rights to any of those tracks you download from certain pages,all I do is make the video to the track & share it,I don't care if somebody elses posted them or not,so what is is that is burning you up? if somebody steal(copies ) the video & posted as his I can understand,
AXEFLYERFV (2 months ago) Show Hide
which they have done it to me,I complimentedyou on your page & you come back with this ,just because you posted this track,I post what I like & you post what you like,what's wrong with that?
blacksabfan (2 months ago) Show Hide
Firstly, I didn't ask you to compliment me. Doing so and trying to make nice isn't really going to stop me from making my point.I'm just saying I'm not really getting why you double and triple post stuff, especially when someone else has already posted it. It's just sort of...pointless. I mean how many videos do you need? Look on my page and see how many doubled videos I have...it's not many and the only reason any would be doubled is because people decided to post the same songs later.
Now, I don't have a problem when it's a few songs or certain users who only have a few videos. They like the song too and that's great. But you have two channels and 400 trillion videos, and then decide too double and triple post stuff people can already find. It's just dumb.
ZODIAKFV (2 months ago) Show Hide
so what ! is there a limit or rule to prevent me from posting as many videos as I please?come on man,I have the time to do that it has become a hobby,I don't even send videos ,don't care about reaching the "MILLION" mark of views or subs,friends,I'm not here to become popular or compete with anybody,the other channel is only for 4 bands,& this one is for all other bands I like ,is not all Thin Lizzy if that's 1 of the reasons that's bothering you,
this has been the first time in a very long time since I've seen or been to your page,I don't kerep track of what you post or have posted ever since,I came in just to make sure it was the same Blksabfan that has come to my page.I guess to "Mark your groung:,now that I would call it Dumb,bur I don't wanna drag this into unnecessary bad blood between us,for music?I don't think that's cool!
oh I didn't even read your first comment,I don' t make nice with anybody,I don't check if someone has pposted this song before I just post it & that's it,you are practically seting your own rules,why don't you complaint to youtube that & see what they tell you!if that is the case I take them down,I don't sweat it!
blacksabfan (2 months ago) Show Hide
I'm not setting any rules. I'm just saying is disrespectful to those with smaller accounts IMHO. It's not even about my posts so much. Plus, why repost something if it's not about competition? If it's out there already why bother reposting it? People will hear it just the same.Also, I call bullshit with the last thing. Three people came to me and said you reposted videos they had posted previously. That's why I came to you. But do whatever you want though. I just wanted to make it clear to you that not everyone thinks what you're doing is great.
ZODIAKFV (2 months ago) Show Hide
how the hell am I suppose to know what other people post,and 3 came to you like you're some kind of authority,don't give that about people with smaller accounts,i don't care if people think I'm doing something great or not,I just told you I post music I like & if somebody wants to watch it find if not is just the same to me,I get this through your head 'cause it seems like it's been geting bigger,
here & check who posted a video & I'm gonna post it too,I know at least 1 guy from greece 1 of your subscribers BTW,with the same bullshit complaint about a track he had posted that i had,without relizing that he had done the same,you see he didn't know,& to me by coming here it just shows how selfish you are,I post what ever I wanna post & post whatever you want,is that simple, stop being a baby!
anter881 (1 month ago) Show Hide
i am not from greece in chat with you i used a latin sentence i am from croatia.i posted song nightlife and i searched youtube for that song and it wasn't on youtube but it was and it was named "nigtlife" so i couldn't find it.check out my videos and see if they have been allready on youtube.my and blasksabfan's arguments are blowing in the wind i can see rock on! keep 'em comin'! yeah whatever...
ZODIAKFV (1 month ago) Show Hide
Like I told blacksafffan,I don't care what everybody else post on their page,that is your page to post whatever you want & do whatever you want,nobody has the right to come in & tell you what to post or not,so I'm not going to go into nobody's page & check to see if somebody else has it & most definatelly blacksabbs page is one that I really don't care to see & hope I never hear from him ever!just post whatever you want,is your page !
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Well that was cute. AXL can do whatever he wants. I just wanted to give my two cents, and ANTER881 was one of the guys that came to me and obviously shares my opinion. (He's a young guy and has come cool Lynott interviews on his page; check him out). I know YouTube doesn't have rules about the stuff I'm speaking about, but just because you're on the internet doesn't mean you shouldn't be respectful and considerate to others. If someone beats me to a post, then I don't post it. I've only posted a couple things that were already posted, and I had good reason to do so (both were Sabbath songs). I've been complimented by other people that posted some Lizzy stuff saying they were happy that I didn't step on their toes, and I try to be cognizant of that. Now, if AXL didn't have 6 channels with 500+ videos on each, I wouldn't care, but honestly what's his point? It's almost like he's trying to monopolize rock music and trying to put up every damn thing he can find on his channel. And people say I have a big ego...
Nothing happened for several months...until yesterday. I saw this posted on another one of AXL's videos. In fact it was one of Lizzy's Peel Sessions tracks (Jailbreak) and AXL is off trying to pass it off of something it's not. At least a few people are a little wiser to this:
666demonguitarist (2 months ago) Show Hide
This isn't studio version you goddamn retard.
ZODIAKFV (2 months ago) Show Hide
so what else is it,?do you hear a live audience you Dumbass?
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I thought about inserting my two cents here, but I chose this other post instead:
gyroe182 (1 week ago) Show Hide
this track was recorded live in a BBC session. I dunno what the bootleg was called but I am sure it was a recording for the BBC.
blacksabfan (1 day ago) Show Hide
That would be correct. One of John Peel's sessions in fact. I'm not sure what the poster is talking about when he says it's a 'studio track'. It sure as hell isn't. Lack of audience does not automatically mean it's a studio track.
AXEFLYERFV (1 hour ago) Show Hide
so tell me where exactly is from? (already did, asshole) since you get everything or should I say download everything you got from Guitar101 website! (I get most stuff from DIME/Traders Den...I haven't downloaded anything from 101 in over 6 months...and a lot of my rarer stuff is directly from trading) you are such an ass,you had to come back to my page & continue to fuck with me,Do you want you page suspended for posting AUDIO TRACKS that you don't have the copyrights to? (LOL, see below) we been through this before ,I told you don't come to my page I won't go to your page! (I banned him from commenting on my page, too bad he's too stupid to do the same to me)everybody has the right to post anything they want! stop being a prick!LAST WARNING !
blacksabfan ( 31 minutes ago) Show Hide
You go ahead and try and get my page suspended. To do that you have to be the person that owns the copyrights to the tracks. I think you have plenty of material as well that YOU don't own the copyrights too, so it goes both ways. All I said was that it wasn't a studio track, and it's not. I already said where it was from. If you don't want to listen, then don't. Be ignorant. I don't give a fuck.
ZODIAKFV (8 minutes ago) Show Hide
Do you think I care about my account being suspended,youtube will only take my Lizzy tracks!(Think again, asshole) stop being an ass!don't reply anymore or both accounts will go down (mutually-assured destruction??!) ,since you don't give a fuck ,I don't either!
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All I did was correct the poor bastard. Didn't mean to start a nuke-throwing game. First off, I called his bluff on the whole account-banning thing. AXL doesn't own the copyrights either, and you can only get videos banned by proving you own the copyrights. AXL doesn't own jackshit, so he's not going to be able to get my account banned. Good try though douche. Likewise, I can't get his account banned either, but I can make him look like a complete dumbass by typing about his practices in my blog...
I also like how in one breath he claims he never hardly goes on my channel, and that's his main excuse for all the double and triple posting he does. Then in this latest tirade, he claims I get all my stuff from Guitars101. How would you be able to make that assessment if you NEVER GO TO MY CHANNEL??? How about you spew some more shit from your mouth AXL that makes no sense? In fact, the 10 videos on my channel page, exactly ZERO of those were downloaded from Guitars101. Several of them have never even been available ANYWHERE before...like the Giscombe/Lynott tracks,"Hard Times", and the version of Emerald from Tokyo.
Basically if he just learned exactly what he had in his possession, I'd be fine. I'm tired of people thinking those Peel Sessions tracks are demos/alternative studio sessions. What makes me even more mad is that he sits there and argues with me/insults me rather than just admitting his mistake and moving on. If he hates me giving my opinion of him, then he just needs to ban me (like I did to him) from commenting and move on. I'm still not sure how he thinks he's going to get YouTube to take down my account. If copyright was an issue it would of been down a long fucking time ago. Fuck him and his fucking 800 channels, and his "I don't need to respect other users" attitude. Just look around at some of the Michael Schenker material and Lizzy material he's posted and see if anyone else had posted it first...I bet 90% of it is repeated. (In fact I know, because I don't need to watch his videos...if I see one I like, I just look for the original poster and watch it from their channel).
For the record...AXL is the second nominee for "YouTube Idiot of the year'. Congrats.
Today I decided to log into my YouTube account and found a cute little message left by my friend AXLVFLYER to a response I made on one of his posts. For those of you who don't know him, he posts various rock videos and songs, a lot like I do, but also more videos. A lot of his material falls into the same category as mine: bootlegged ROIOs and DVDs. This stuff is acceptable to posts and its why him and I have remained in good standing with the powers-to-be at YouTube.
I will say this though. We don't like each other.
AXLVFLYER is an uninformed noob. He has at least 3 different channels he operates under different, but similar names. He has thousands of videos total...making my channel small in comparison. He has a lot of great footage, but he ticks me off for two big reasons.
1) Many of his videos are things someone else had already posted
2) Several of his videos give incorrect/misleading information
Now I normally wouldn't give a shit if a person resposted something I posted. I just don't. Other people came to me first and mentioned him and how he had taken videos from other people and reposted them in his channel. I didn't want to get involved...that's between them and AXL. That didn't stop me from checking out AXL/ZODIAFKV's channel though (he has two main ones). Right off the bat I noticed he had posted some Lizzy from the Peel Sessions discs which he had titled as "alternate studio tracks". That's obviously not true. The Peel Sessions discs are pretty well-known in the Lizzy trading community. Additionally, he posted many of the same tracks I had posted at least a year prior. A simple YouTube search would of shown that...and wouldn't have taken more than two seconds. Reposting I can live with, but if you're gonna post something, don't try to pass it off as something it's clearly not. So I began to have a nice conversation with AXL about this. This is located here:
blacksabfan (2 months ago) Show Hide
A good track...although I liked it better when I posted it about a year ago...
AXEFLYERFV (2 months ago) Show Hide
I posted it in 2006,AXEMAN313 & MADAXEMAN13,old accounts aswell,thnx for tuning in Sab,great tracks on your page as alwasys!
blacksabfan (2 months ago) Show Hide
I remember the second of those accounts. There's absolutely no way it was up when I posted it, or I wouldn't of posted it again, because I don't believe in stepping on other's toes. It undermines their work, and I'm not much into doing that to others. Even it was posted back in '06 (which I doubt), if you delete your account and someone else posts it, then in my mind you're S.O.L.Besides, I've seen you've made quite a habit out of repackaging the work of others to promote your own page.
AXEFLYERFV (2 months ago) Show Hide
what the hell do you mean repacking the works of others,to promote my own page,I'm not promoting anything or copying videos of others,you gotta keep in mind that you or I don't own the rights to any of those tracks you download from certain pages,all I do is make the video to the track & share it,I don't care if somebody elses posted them or not,so what is is that is burning you up? if somebody steal(copies ) the video & posted as his I can understand,
AXEFLYERFV (2 months ago) Show Hide
which they have done it to me,I complimentedyou on your page & you come back with this ,just because you posted this track,I post what I like & you post what you like,what's wrong with that?
blacksabfan (2 months ago) Show Hide
Firstly, I didn't ask you to compliment me. Doing so and trying to make nice isn't really going to stop me from making my point.I'm just saying I'm not really getting why you double and triple post stuff, especially when someone else has already posted it. It's just sort of...pointless. I mean how many videos do you need? Look on my page and see how many doubled videos I have...it's not many and the only reason any would be doubled is because people decided to post the same songs later.
Now, I don't have a problem when it's a few songs or certain users who only have a few videos. They like the song too and that's great. But you have two channels and 400 trillion videos, and then decide too double and triple post stuff people can already find. It's just dumb.
ZODIAKFV (2 months ago) Show Hide
so what ! is there a limit or rule to prevent me from posting as many videos as I please?come on man,I have the time to do that it has become a hobby,I don't even send videos ,don't care about reaching the "MILLION" mark of views or subs,friends,I'm not here to become popular or compete with anybody,the other channel is only for 4 bands,& this one is for all other bands I like ,is not all Thin Lizzy if that's 1 of the reasons that's bothering you,
this has been the first time in a very long time since I've seen or been to your page,I don't kerep track of what you post or have posted ever since,I came in just to make sure it was the same Blksabfan that has come to my page.I guess to "Mark your groung:,now that I would call it Dumb,bur I don't wanna drag this into unnecessary bad blood between us,for music?I don't think that's cool!
oh I didn't even read your first comment,I don' t make nice with anybody,I don't check if someone has pposted this song before I just post it & that's it,you are practically seting your own rules,why don't you complaint to youtube that & see what they tell you!if that is the case I take them down,I don't sweat it!
blacksabfan (2 months ago) Show Hide
I'm not setting any rules. I'm just saying is disrespectful to those with smaller accounts IMHO. It's not even about my posts so much. Plus, why repost something if it's not about competition? If it's out there already why bother reposting it? People will hear it just the same.Also, I call bullshit with the last thing. Three people came to me and said you reposted videos they had posted previously. That's why I came to you. But do whatever you want though. I just wanted to make it clear to you that not everyone thinks what you're doing is great.
ZODIAKFV (2 months ago) Show Hide
how the hell am I suppose to know what other people post,and 3 came to you like you're some kind of authority,don't give that about people with smaller accounts,i don't care if people think I'm doing something great or not,I just told you I post music I like & if somebody wants to watch it find if not is just the same to me,I get this through your head 'cause it seems like it's been geting bigger,
here & check who posted a video & I'm gonna post it too,I know at least 1 guy from greece 1 of your subscribers BTW,with the same bullshit complaint about a track he had posted that i had,without relizing that he had done the same,you see he didn't know,& to me by coming here it just shows how selfish you are,I post what ever I wanna post & post whatever you want,is that simple, stop being a baby!
anter881 (1 month ago) Show Hide
i am not from greece in chat with you i used a latin sentence i am from croatia.i posted song nightlife and i searched youtube for that song and it wasn't on youtube but it was and it was named "nigtlife" so i couldn't find it.check out my videos and see if they have been allready on youtube.my and blasksabfan's arguments are blowing in the wind i can see rock on! keep 'em comin'! yeah whatever...
ZODIAKFV (1 month ago) Show Hide
Like I told blacksafffan,I don't care what everybody else post on their page,that is your page to post whatever you want & do whatever you want,nobody has the right to come in & tell you what to post or not,so I'm not going to go into nobody's page & check to see if somebody else has it & most definatelly blacksabbs page is one that I really don't care to see & hope I never hear from him ever!just post whatever you want,is your page !
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Well that was cute. AXL can do whatever he wants. I just wanted to give my two cents, and ANTER881 was one of the guys that came to me and obviously shares my opinion. (He's a young guy and has come cool Lynott interviews on his page; check him out). I know YouTube doesn't have rules about the stuff I'm speaking about, but just because you're on the internet doesn't mean you shouldn't be respectful and considerate to others. If someone beats me to a post, then I don't post it. I've only posted a couple things that were already posted, and I had good reason to do so (both were Sabbath songs). I've been complimented by other people that posted some Lizzy stuff saying they were happy that I didn't step on their toes, and I try to be cognizant of that. Now, if AXL didn't have 6 channels with 500+ videos on each, I wouldn't care, but honestly what's his point? It's almost like he's trying to monopolize rock music and trying to put up every damn thing he can find on his channel. And people say I have a big ego...
Nothing happened for several months...until yesterday. I saw this posted on another one of AXL's videos. In fact it was one of Lizzy's Peel Sessions tracks (Jailbreak) and AXL is off trying to pass it off of something it's not. At least a few people are a little wiser to this:
666demonguitarist (2 months ago) Show Hide
This isn't studio version you goddamn retard.
ZODIAKFV (2 months ago) Show Hide
so what else is it,?do you hear a live audience you Dumbass?
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I thought about inserting my two cents here, but I chose this other post instead:
gyroe182 (1 week ago) Show Hide
this track was recorded live in a BBC session. I dunno what the bootleg was called but I am sure it was a recording for the BBC.
blacksabfan (1 day ago) Show Hide
That would be correct. One of John Peel's sessions in fact. I'm not sure what the poster is talking about when he says it's a 'studio track'. It sure as hell isn't. Lack of audience does not automatically mean it's a studio track.
AXEFLYERFV (1 hour ago) Show Hide
so tell me where exactly is from? (already did, asshole) since you get everything or should I say download everything you got from Guitar101 website! (I get most stuff from DIME/Traders Den...I haven't downloaded anything from 101 in over 6 months...and a lot of my rarer stuff is directly from trading) you are such an ass,you had to come back to my page & continue to fuck with me,Do you want you page suspended for posting AUDIO TRACKS that you don't have the copyrights to? (LOL, see below) we been through this before ,I told you don't come to my page I won't go to your page! (I banned him from commenting on my page, too bad he's too stupid to do the same to me)everybody has the right to post anything they want! stop being a prick!LAST WARNING !
blacksabfan ( 31 minutes ago) Show Hide
You go ahead and try and get my page suspended. To do that you have to be the person that owns the copyrights to the tracks. I think you have plenty of material as well that YOU don't own the copyrights too, so it goes both ways. All I said was that it wasn't a studio track, and it's not. I already said where it was from. If you don't want to listen, then don't. Be ignorant. I don't give a fuck.
ZODIAKFV (8 minutes ago) Show Hide
Do you think I care about my account being suspended,youtube will only take my Lizzy tracks!(Think again, asshole) stop being an ass!don't reply anymore or both accounts will go down (mutually-assured destruction??!) ,since you don't give a fuck ,I don't either!
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All I did was correct the poor bastard. Didn't mean to start a nuke-throwing game. First off, I called his bluff on the whole account-banning thing. AXL doesn't own the copyrights either, and you can only get videos banned by proving you own the copyrights. AXL doesn't own jackshit, so he's not going to be able to get my account banned. Good try though douche. Likewise, I can't get his account banned either, but I can make him look like a complete dumbass by typing about his practices in my blog...
I also like how in one breath he claims he never hardly goes on my channel, and that's his main excuse for all the double and triple posting he does. Then in this latest tirade, he claims I get all my stuff from Guitars101. How would you be able to make that assessment if you NEVER GO TO MY CHANNEL??? How about you spew some more shit from your mouth AXL that makes no sense? In fact, the 10 videos on my channel page, exactly ZERO of those were downloaded from Guitars101. Several of them have never even been available ANYWHERE before...like the Giscombe/Lynott tracks,"Hard Times", and the version of Emerald from Tokyo.
Basically if he just learned exactly what he had in his possession, I'd be fine. I'm tired of people thinking those Peel Sessions tracks are demos/alternative studio sessions. What makes me even more mad is that he sits there and argues with me/insults me rather than just admitting his mistake and moving on. If he hates me giving my opinion of him, then he just needs to ban me (like I did to him) from commenting and move on. I'm still not sure how he thinks he's going to get YouTube to take down my account. If copyright was an issue it would of been down a long fucking time ago. Fuck him and his fucking 800 channels, and his "I don't need to respect other users" attitude. Just look around at some of the Michael Schenker material and Lizzy material he's posted and see if anyone else had posted it first...I bet 90% of it is repeated. (In fact I know, because I don't need to watch his videos...if I see one I like, I just look for the original poster and watch it from their channel).
For the record...AXL is the second nominee for "YouTube Idiot of the year'. Congrats.
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