Hi everyone.
Just got done posting a torrent. It took 2 hrs. It shouldn't take 2 hrs, especially since I had it prepared last night. Leave it to DIME to fuck things up and leave me pissed off.
I attempted to post a lossless version of "Snowed in Cork". It contains some soundcheck tracks from both Cork and Hammersmith, as well as the first 5 tracks from the gig at Cork on 13 April 1980. Shortly after I posted it, it was banned because of track number 10.
Track 10 is "Don't Play Around" (Soundcheck from 29 May 1980 @ Hammersmith)
I looked at the link they gave me, and all it said was that it was officially released as the B-Side of the Killer on the Loose single. I knew that's bullshit. That was a studio release. So I emailed them for an explanation. This is what I got:
I'm going to post this email exchange, tell me if you think my logic is flawed at all. I don't think it is, but DIME seems very adamant about their stance.
Me = Red
Dime = Blue
Hi.
I uploaded torrent #288846 - Thin Lizzy Snowed in Cork, and it was banned because someone claimed the track "Don't Play Around" (from the Hammersmith Soundcheck was used on the "Killer on the Loose" B-Side.
Well, it wasn't. The B-Side for that single was the Studio version of "Don't Play Around", not what I posted.
Hi Ryan
The released studio version of "Don't Play Around" was recorded at the Hammersmith soundcheck in 1980 and was reworked in the studio so its to iffy to run here.
best
Brother_52
Reworked? They aren't even close to the same thing! Likewise, that information isn't even listed on the link provided and I'd like to see some proof of that before you start banning torrents.
If you have the Swedish 2CD release of "The Boys Are Back In Town" from from 2001 on Vertigo 548483-2,please read the sleeve notes written by Jörgen Holmstedt in the inner tray. Thats sufficient information for us to call this particular track off limits on DIME.
I think that's being way too picky. But whatever. When I put it up without that track, I'll expect you to show up and explain to everyone else why that track isn't there.
No its not whatever, its one of the reason why DIME still exists. We were forced to close down twice in not too distant past. On both occasions, it was because of one track in one torrent. That's all it takes. Sorry but we are not willing to put DIME in risk simply because you don't like the way it affects your uploading.
"When I put it up without that track, I'll expect you to show up and explain to everyone else why that track isn't there."
No, you could just link to this page
http://www.trcjt.ca/ap960/lizzy/sc_disk2.html
Because it was "probably recorded". Wow, that's convincing evidence that obviously didn't come from listening to the two songs...
Well if I am not slightly mistaken the same thing is even mentioned in "The Rocker" by Mark Putterford,so if you know more than the journalists Holmstedt and Putterford who both had followed the band very close,well good on you.
"Probably recorded" makes this a conflict with an official release and then the track is off limits on DIME until evidence can be provided to prove otherwise.
I just got out my copy of the Rocker, it doesn't say anything of the sort. It talks about a live version of "Chinatown" being recorded for a b-side at one of the hammersmith gigs, but not anything about "Don't Play Around" being reworked or used for any singles. In theory, then why should any demos be allowed here? Those songs end up 'reworked' and on official releases...seems like the same thing to me.
I know you've had "legal issues" twice, but there's a difference between caution and sheer paranoia.
Don't bother to send anymore messages. I'm not reading them, and I've said all I need to say.
I figured I had pushed my luck enough at this point. I don't agree with their logic. A reworked track is something different. If it was anyone else they probably wouldn't give a shit, or if Brother_52 wasn't some Lizzy 'expert' it would pass right under their noses. I've seen it before with regards to certain Sabbath posts.
Oh, and if you want the track that caused all this, look no further:
www.megaupload.com/?d=BZ0AG0AK
You tell me if it sounds like the studio version...
EDIT:
And for the record, DIME, if you keep sending me stupid emails, which give various excuses but never any apologies for when you are actually wrong about something (and you are), then expect me to keep posting them on my blog.
Since I initiated the correspondence, nor do I feel I have anything to hide, I don't have a problem with it.
I loved this though:
Me: "In theory, then why should any demos be allowed here? Those songs end up 'reworked' and on official releases...seems like the same thing to me.
Dime: "Then make your own tracker with your own rules and take the legal responsibility yourself."
Translation: Good point. But we don't give a fuck and won't admit you make sense. We'll just bitch at you like it's your fault. Then get mad because you've chosen to highlight this idiocy in a public forum out of our control.
I wouldn't have a problem with any of this if they were halfway respectful. But they aren't. They are more worried about legal issues than trying to deal with any of the people that use DIME. If someone asks a question which may be answered in the FAQ page (despite the fact they have shit all over the place in there and it's hard to navigate as it is), they get all condescending and come down on them like the jerks they are. Here's another example from another post on another torrent.
#3776571 by Blacksabfan at 2010-01-30 04:33:41 GMT
Thanks for posting the AUD of this.
The thing thats always intrigued me is that the officially released "Live in Sweden" disc contains the supposed Avesta show (SBD) as a bonus disc, yet from simply listening to this and that disc, the shows aren't the same. I'm fairly certain that this is Avesta...so I wonder what that bonus disc really is.
#3777085 by Brother_52 at 2010-01-30 12:02:55 GMT
This Avesta recording is NOT the same show as the bonus disc "Live In Sweden" and not in conflict with the Zoom release. I own the Avesta silver discs as well as the Zoom release.
From what I remember the Zoom release is from
1983-08-05 Brunnsparken,Örebro,Sweden
and is not in conflict with any of the 3 musketeers recordings which is in circulation in trading circles
Brother_52
The Mod Team
#3777819 by Blacksabfan at 2010-01-30 17:43:31 GMT
That's exactly what I already said...
#3778084 by Brother_52 at 2010-01-30 19:20:01 GMT
There is a major difference,I speak on behalf of DIME.
Several users have reported this torrent as wikipedia says the official release on Zoom has material from Avesta. If there is a conflict between this torrent and and an official release this torrent would not be allowed shared here as it could cause DIME legal problems. As the moderators see it there is no problem with this torrent running here as either is this torrent wrongly dated or wikipedia/Zoom Records have got the date for the recording on the bonus disc wrong.
And by the way, that's posted in the comments section and is public. I didn't have to go through my email to dig those out.
See my point. It would be fine if they just would concur, because the reason I made my first post was to show to others that it wasn't the same thing as the supposed official release. But, he not only ignores my post and copies the exact same information, he then goes on to say about how his expertise in Lizzy supercedes mine because he's a moderator and he speaks on "behalf of Dime". Whoopie shit. There's easier ways to agree with someone than belitting someone else's knowledge and touting your credentials.
Secondly, I would think posting a show that claims to be from a date that already has an official release would be something that could cause a legal issue. Granted we know they both aren't the same, but it's not like any lawyer or music label is going to know this. So, it seems like you're taking a risk by letting it remain on the tracker. That's fine and good, and I don't even disagree, it should be on the tracker because it's not the same show. I'm just saying it might lead to confusion, and could lead to legal trouble from those who aren't as informed about such matters. Yet, you seem to be willing to risk it in this case, but not for my case. It almost is like you just seem to pick battles how you see fit, and not whether they make sense or not. The track I posted as a different guitar solo and runs significantly longer than the official release. It's not even remotely close to being the same. Reworked to me means it's way different and should be allowed. Hell, it's more different than a lot of demos that get reworked...but yet those aren't banned. It almost seems like they enjoy picking on me when I upload stuff and overly scrutinzing it just because they don't like me making examples of them to the general public, and pointing out their mistakes and contradictions.
And yes, YOU DO MAKE THEM. Just because you're running DIME doesn't mean you're infallible.
It's that attitude above, and their resistance to apologize and correct mistakes that makes me post private email from them in a blog.
Thursday, February 4, 2010
Saturday, January 30, 2010
Another download link - By request
ThinLizzyFanpage requested that I post the soundcheck from the 3/12/1983 Hammersmith Odeon gig. I initially said it would take a few days, but I found it on my hard drive and just decided to do it now, while I answered some idiotic comments on a few of my YouTube posts regarding California Jam, Nuremberg 1983, and Sabbath's performance of Smoke on the Water.
I got this from a friend of mine as .mp3 files. I don't know the exact bitrate but the files sound ok. I know people have this in lossless, so if you see this and have it in lossless, it would be appreciated if it could be posted someplace like DIME/DaD or at the Traders Den in that format. That way I could junk this link, and post something in better quality.
This includes 4 versions of Black Rose, 2 of Still In Love With You, Whiskey, The Rocker, Are You Ready, and a couple of jams. It used to have two more tracks but something happened to the CD I had this stored on awhile back and it damaged two tracks so they they were unplayable. This should really be 14 tracks but instead you're only getting 12. Another good reason someone should take the time and post this.
What is here is really good though. It's neat to hear some of the riffs played on their own.
Enjoy!
EDIT: Link removed. Someone met my request and reuploaded lossless version of the afforementioned tracks. I'll try to get a new link put here soon.
I got this from a friend of mine as .mp3 files. I don't know the exact bitrate but the files sound ok. I know people have this in lossless, so if you see this and have it in lossless, it would be appreciated if it could be posted someplace like DIME/DaD or at the Traders Den in that format. That way I could junk this link, and post something in better quality.
This includes 4 versions of Black Rose, 2 of Still In Love With You, Whiskey, The Rocker, Are You Ready, and a couple of jams. It used to have two more tracks but something happened to the CD I had this stored on awhile back and it damaged two tracks so they they were unplayable. This should really be 14 tracks but instead you're only getting 12. Another good reason someone should take the time and post this.
What is here is really good though. It's neat to hear some of the riffs played on their own.
Enjoy!
EDIT: Link removed. Someone met my request and reuploaded lossless version of the afforementioned tracks. I'll try to get a new link put here soon.
Saturday, January 23, 2010
My extremely belated Christmas present.
www.megaupload.com/?d=0BD6L697
Here's a breakdown of what the above link contains:
01 Waiting For an Alibi (Alternate Demo)
02 Dear Miss Lonely Hearts (Demo)
03 Samantha
04 What's the Matter Baby (Version 1)
05 Breakdown (Longer Version)
06 Ode to A Black Man (Demo)
07 Jamaican Rum (Demo)
08 What's the Matter Baby (Version 2)
09 Time (and Again) (Version 2)
10 He Fell Like A Soldier (Version 2)
11 Lady Loves to Dance (Demo)
12 Someone's Out To Get Ya
13 Catholic Charm
14 I Still Think of You
15 No More
16 Revolution
17 Why Don't You Call Me
18 Partner In Crime ('Acoustic Mix')
19 Lady Loves to Dance (12' version)
20 Dirty Old Town
21 Guiding Light
22 Fats (Demo)
23 Tattoo (Demo)
24 Spanish Guitar (Demo)
25 With Love (Alternate Demo)
26 Try A Little Harder (Demo)
27 Hot N' Spicy
28 Hard Times ('Dance Mix')
29 Harlem (Alternate Version)
30 Lady Loves to Dance (Mastered version)
31 Baby's Been Messin' (Snippet)
32 Bad Is Bad (Short low quality snippet)
33 Bad Is Bad (Longer Better quality snippet)
34 Talk in 79 (Snippet)
35 We Will Be Strong (Demo - Snippet)
36 Chinatown (Demo - Snippet)
37 Don't Play Around (Demo - Snippet)
38 Didn't I (Demo - Snippet)
39 Having A Good Time (Demo - Snippet)
40 Have You Heard Lately (Snippet)
41 Kill (Snippet)
42 Revolution (Robin George Version - Snippet)
43 The Story of My Life (Snippet)
All are in 256 kbps mp3 format. Too bad we probably won't get any better quality than this, but it's still nice regardless.
Here's a breakdown of what the above link contains:
01 Waiting For an Alibi (Alternate Demo)
02 Dear Miss Lonely Hearts (Demo)
03 Samantha
04 What's the Matter Baby (Version 1)
05 Breakdown (Longer Version)
06 Ode to A Black Man (Demo)
07 Jamaican Rum (Demo)
08 What's the Matter Baby (Version 2)
09 Time (and Again) (Version 2)
10 He Fell Like A Soldier (Version 2)
11 Lady Loves to Dance (Demo)
12 Someone's Out To Get Ya
13 Catholic Charm
14 I Still Think of You
15 No More
16 Revolution
17 Why Don't You Call Me
18 Partner In Crime ('Acoustic Mix')
19 Lady Loves to Dance (12' version)
20 Dirty Old Town
21 Guiding Light
22 Fats (Demo)
23 Tattoo (Demo)
24 Spanish Guitar (Demo)
25 With Love (Alternate Demo)
26 Try A Little Harder (Demo)
27 Hot N' Spicy
28 Hard Times ('Dance Mix')
29 Harlem (Alternate Version)
30 Lady Loves to Dance (Mastered version)
31 Baby's Been Messin' (Snippet)
32 Bad Is Bad (Short low quality snippet)
33 Bad Is Bad (Longer Better quality snippet)
34 Talk in 79 (Snippet)
35 We Will Be Strong (Demo - Snippet)
36 Chinatown (Demo - Snippet)
37 Don't Play Around (Demo - Snippet)
38 Didn't I (Demo - Snippet)
39 Having A Good Time (Demo - Snippet)
40 Have You Heard Lately (Snippet)
41 Kill (Snippet)
42 Revolution (Robin George Version - Snippet)
43 The Story of My Life (Snippet)
All are in 256 kbps mp3 format. Too bad we probably won't get any better quality than this, but it's still nice regardless.
Friday, January 15, 2010
nothinbutblue's YouTube Channel
Hi everyone!
I just wanted to put in my two cents on a situation involving a YouTube aquaintance of mine who goes by the user name "nothinbutblue".
If you're a big Lizzy/Lynott fan, and if you already have been reading my blog, you probably have some recollection of who he is. This user shared a few dozen EXTREMELY RARE Lizzy and Lynott tracks the last few months, including nearly all of the 1984/85 demos known to exist. Some were only snippets, (and I understand why that is) but even still, his efforts to make these tracks available to be heard by the public is very commendable. It's sad to think that some people (assholes) refuse to share these tracks because either:
A) These assholes are making money from them...or
B) These assholes are holding out (in vain) to get complete versions of certain other tracks from other equally idiotic assholes that 99.999% of all Lizzy collectors don't have yet. (Do you get why some of those were only snippets now?)
Of course, after about a month or so, a few certain people caught wind of what 'nothinbutblue' had done and decided to use the same tactics that once been used on me and successfully got him to remove all the tracks from YouTube.
I need to make a few points about this.
First off, I had spoken to 'nothinbutblue' before he posted anything on his channel. I'm not going to divulge what exactly was said as it's not right for me to just publish the contents of that message (although I have no problem doing so on my end), but I will say that he praised what I had done in posting other rare tracks and said that it was 'the right thing to do'. I feel the public needs to know this, and that 'nothinbutblue' isn't just jerking people around because he can. He just understands (as do I) the other factors you have to deal with when you post rare stuff on the internet. He took the tracks off YouTube because he felt it was the right thing for him to do. Understandable. I felt the right thing to do was to leave them up and weather the storm, risk alienation from 'the big boys' and become a pariah among other collectors of this material. Fine.
'nothinbutblue' did upload a new track late last night, and when asked about the other tracks, suggested that he would post material that would cause "less consternation". What?!
Basically, I understand the decision, but I don't agree with this mentality.
First, if it's the right thing to do (his words), then why is it okay to quit when a few people give you crap?
Also, with regards to these people who are causing consternation, do they really think people didn't make copies of the tracks from YouTube? I mean it's too late once they are up there. I can make a copy of any track I want from YouTube in the time it takes for the song to play through. It's not rocket science. It's called "audacity".
What happens if I were to take these tracks and post them on my YouTube channel? Are these people going to come after me? If they do, they aren't going to win. I won't give two shits about "their consternation". The only reason I haven't is that it puts "nothinbutblue" in a bad position.
Then again, he should of known this was coming. I'm sure he knew what I went through, and I warned him it would happen. Since I knew this, I took the liberty of copying every track he uploaded. I know others that did too. It's common sense if you're a big fan really; it's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. My only problem is that it would of been better to post them as lossless someplace else to maintain highest possible quality. People are going to get them either way, so they might as well let certain people preserve them that way. Now all we have are high-quality lossy copies, and given this "consternation", I don't expect any to be reposted in better quality anytime soon.
Lastly, I wish some of these people who are upset about 'nothinbutblue''s work would crawl out of the shadows and identify themselves, rather than being the cowardly bitches that they are. Then again, if it's the same people who came after me, then it's no surprise.
I just wanted to put in my two cents on a situation involving a YouTube aquaintance of mine who goes by the user name "nothinbutblue".
If you're a big Lizzy/Lynott fan, and if you already have been reading my blog, you probably have some recollection of who he is. This user shared a few dozen EXTREMELY RARE Lizzy and Lynott tracks the last few months, including nearly all of the 1984/85 demos known to exist. Some were only snippets, (and I understand why that is) but even still, his efforts to make these tracks available to be heard by the public is very commendable. It's sad to think that some people (assholes) refuse to share these tracks because either:
A) These assholes are making money from them...or
B) These assholes are holding out (in vain) to get complete versions of certain other tracks from other equally idiotic assholes that 99.999% of all Lizzy collectors don't have yet. (Do you get why some of those were only snippets now?)
Of course, after about a month or so, a few certain people caught wind of what 'nothinbutblue' had done and decided to use the same tactics that once been used on me and successfully got him to remove all the tracks from YouTube.
I need to make a few points about this.
First off, I had spoken to 'nothinbutblue' before he posted anything on his channel. I'm not going to divulge what exactly was said as it's not right for me to just publish the contents of that message (although I have no problem doing so on my end), but I will say that he praised what I had done in posting other rare tracks and said that it was 'the right thing to do'. I feel the public needs to know this, and that 'nothinbutblue' isn't just jerking people around because he can. He just understands (as do I) the other factors you have to deal with when you post rare stuff on the internet. He took the tracks off YouTube because he felt it was the right thing for him to do. Understandable. I felt the right thing to do was to leave them up and weather the storm, risk alienation from 'the big boys' and become a pariah among other collectors of this material. Fine.
'nothinbutblue' did upload a new track late last night, and when asked about the other tracks, suggested that he would post material that would cause "less consternation". What?!
Basically, I understand the decision, but I don't agree with this mentality.
First, if it's the right thing to do (his words), then why is it okay to quit when a few people give you crap?
Also, with regards to these people who are causing consternation, do they really think people didn't make copies of the tracks from YouTube? I mean it's too late once they are up there. I can make a copy of any track I want from YouTube in the time it takes for the song to play through. It's not rocket science. It's called "audacity".
What happens if I were to take these tracks and post them on my YouTube channel? Are these people going to come after me? If they do, they aren't going to win. I won't give two shits about "their consternation". The only reason I haven't is that it puts "nothinbutblue" in a bad position.
Then again, he should of known this was coming. I'm sure he knew what I went through, and I warned him it would happen. Since I knew this, I took the liberty of copying every track he uploaded. I know others that did too. It's common sense if you're a big fan really; it's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. My only problem is that it would of been better to post them as lossless someplace else to maintain highest possible quality. People are going to get them either way, so they might as well let certain people preserve them that way. Now all we have are high-quality lossy copies, and given this "consternation", I don't expect any to be reposted in better quality anytime soon.
Lastly, I wish some of these people who are upset about 'nothinbutblue''s work would crawl out of the shadows and identify themselves, rather than being the cowardly bitches that they are. Then again, if it's the same people who came after me, then it's no surprise.
Sunday, November 22, 2009
Yes...why do I attract all these idiots???
Here's another good conversation I had this evening.
I want it to be known that I'm not a very politically-correct person. I feel that America has become an oversensitive place where people or more worried about feelings and not offending people than being correct, truthful, or just easy-going.
For example, I'm well aware Phil Lynott is half-white, half-black. However, in the course of many casual conversations I have with people, especially ones not that familiar with Lynott or Lizzy, I might say something like 'Lynott was a black-irishman', or 'Lynott was one of the few successful black rock stars', or something like that. By saying this, I'm not denying his half-whiteness, I'm just choosing to accentuate his "blackness", because it makes him more unique. It's technically not dishonest, at least in my mind, because I've always considered a person black if they are 25%, 50%, or 100% black. I don't mean it like I'm a racist. I have black friends, and they've told me they don't mind being called 'black' as opposed to African-American. Some even prefer it. Even the technically bi-racial ones don't mind. I also do it because it's just simple, easy, and to be honest, no one really gives a fuck anyway. But of course, there's always one or two pedantic assholes that want to make a big deal out of something like that. In my mind, making a big deal about someone's race is just pointless anyway, and it's probably half the reason we still have racial problems today, because people just care too much about pointless bullshit such as skin color and being overly PC about it. I like Phil Lynott because what he wrote and sang about, not because of what color he is.
Anyway here is the conversation. Any thoughts about this would be appreciated.
OBAMAisHalfCaste (2 hours ago)
blacksabfan Phil was ~Half Caste~ NOT Black you oviously have never irelands one cultural society..Biracial and Black is different..All biracials are White people with a little more melanin and Tanned skin.Thers white people who go 2 shades darker than phil and Obama when they in hot sunny countries like Spain Africa and Brazil..And heres another suprize (Bob Marley) wasnt black either he was ~Half White~
blacksabfan (1 hour ago)
If someone is visibly black, I call them black. I'm not one to be technical about it. I'm not really into the PC technicalities. I don't care if it's 25%, 50% or 100%. There is nothing factually incorrect about saying Phil Lynott was black. He was. I never said he was 100% black. To be honest I don't even care, I just know he is one of my favorite musicians.
OBAMAisHalfCaste (49 minutes ago)
Well then you are very Dumb and Dull .You cant just labelle peoples ethnicity just because you want them to be something that they are not and never will be.. Phil was White to he was just as much White as he was Black . He belongs to both race groups
blacksabfan (31 minutes ago)
Black and Half-Caste isn't ethnicity. That's race. Ethnicity is Irish, German etc. I mean if you're going to call me dumb and then make a gross error like that, you probably should just stop talking. My point is that in popular culture, if you're part black, you get called black. Right or wrong, that's how it goes. I think everyone that is a fan of Phil Lynott is aware he's not completely black. It's not insulting the man...Phil called himself black. It's an observation that's simplified. If it makes you feel better, if I was writing a term paper on the subject, I would make his racial origin very clear, but in casual conversation I'm going to call him a black irishman. Comphrende?
OBAMAisHalfCaste (18 minutes ago)
Well then you would just be hypocrting yourself writing his real racial background down but then speaking a Lie to ..What is that its nonsence..Listen dude .Phil was Biracial not Black as you already know so give him respect and other biracials respect by calling them that.How would you feel if someone called you Yellow or purple when your not No you are wrong im not here to insult but to bring the truth of god to your eyes..In Africa he is White i have been there and all Biracials are lebeled as White its wrong..And yes most labele them as Black to.But why follow there stupidity and lower yourselfs to there dumbness
blacksabfan (13 minutes ago)
First off, I wouldn't give a shit if someone called me yellow or purple or whatever. I'm more concerned about my accomplishments, which is why I feel stupid arguing about this. Lynott's accomplishments are being belittled because of your hellbent obsession with proving that he's biracial, something that I've never once denied. Secondly, you keep combining race and ethnicity as if they are interchangable. They are not.
Do not comment anymore or you will be banned. End of discussion.
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The fucker then chose to comment on my channel, and I chose to comment back on his, saying that his obsession seemed a bit unhealthy, and that perhaps he could be doing something more important with his life than worrying about whether or not someone is correctly classifying a person's race. Of course, he deleted my comments on his channel, because they might be seen by a person with a brain and they might use some common sense in determining that this guy is a little psychotic. I also made the point that people might take him more seriously if he typed comments without 50 typing errors in them...but what the hell do I know?
His biggest mistake however is that he chooses to use race and ethnicity as if they are interchangible terms. They are not. Race is black, white, hispanic, pacific islander, native american...etc. To be very un-PC about this...race is your color. Ethnicity, on the other hand, has to do with sharing traits through a common heritage. Irish, German, Czech, English, Scottish would be mine. Jews are an ethnic group. Ethnic groups share traits, be it linguistic, cultural, behavioral, religious, etc, and race is just one factor in that. Race can be a common trait within an ethnic group, but it in itself is NOT ethnicity. Phil Lynott was half-black and that is his race, but his ethnicity is wholly Irish. Even though Phil's dad was from British Guyana, I would claim that Phil shares none of ethnic traits associated with Guyana (whatever they are). I really don't see how that can be debated. Likewise there's a lot of white people in South Africa who are in fact African, but they sure as hell aren't black. So they aren't the same.
Basicially I know me going around calling Phil Lynott black is not as accurate as saying he's biracial, and maybe I'm technically wrong, but I'm also saying that I don't really give a fuck and that I understand the truth and just don't see a need to get overly technical about it. I certainly don't feel like calling him black is insulting. (Besides, I can't call him African-American, he's neither from Africa or America). Phil called himself black. Black Boys on the Corner? I'll be damned if he wasn't writing about himself as a kid. Phil knew he was biracial, but had no problem being called black. I view it the same way.
I want it to be known that I'm not a very politically-correct person. I feel that America has become an oversensitive place where people or more worried about feelings and not offending people than being correct, truthful, or just easy-going.
For example, I'm well aware Phil Lynott is half-white, half-black. However, in the course of many casual conversations I have with people, especially ones not that familiar with Lynott or Lizzy, I might say something like 'Lynott was a black-irishman', or 'Lynott was one of the few successful black rock stars', or something like that. By saying this, I'm not denying his half-whiteness, I'm just choosing to accentuate his "blackness", because it makes him more unique. It's technically not dishonest, at least in my mind, because I've always considered a person black if they are 25%, 50%, or 100% black. I don't mean it like I'm a racist. I have black friends, and they've told me they don't mind being called 'black' as opposed to African-American. Some even prefer it. Even the technically bi-racial ones don't mind. I also do it because it's just simple, easy, and to be honest, no one really gives a fuck anyway. But of course, there's always one or two pedantic assholes that want to make a big deal out of something like that. In my mind, making a big deal about someone's race is just pointless anyway, and it's probably half the reason we still have racial problems today, because people just care too much about pointless bullshit such as skin color and being overly PC about it. I like Phil Lynott because what he wrote and sang about, not because of what color he is.
Anyway here is the conversation. Any thoughts about this would be appreciated.
OBAMAisHalfCaste (2 hours ago)
blacksabfan Phil was ~Half Caste~ NOT Black you oviously have never irelands one cultural society..Biracial and Black is different..All biracials are White people with a little more melanin and Tanned skin.Thers white people who go 2 shades darker than phil and Obama when they in hot sunny countries like Spain Africa and Brazil..And heres another suprize (Bob Marley) wasnt black either he was ~Half White~
blacksabfan (1 hour ago)
If someone is visibly black, I call them black. I'm not one to be technical about it. I'm not really into the PC technicalities. I don't care if it's 25%, 50% or 100%. There is nothing factually incorrect about saying Phil Lynott was black. He was. I never said he was 100% black. To be honest I don't even care, I just know he is one of my favorite musicians.
OBAMAisHalfCaste (49 minutes ago)
Well then you are very Dumb and Dull .You cant just labelle peoples ethnicity just because you want them to be something that they are not and never will be.. Phil was White to he was just as much White as he was Black . He belongs to both race groups
blacksabfan (31 minutes ago)
Black and Half-Caste isn't ethnicity. That's race. Ethnicity is Irish, German etc. I mean if you're going to call me dumb and then make a gross error like that, you probably should just stop talking. My point is that in popular culture, if you're part black, you get called black. Right or wrong, that's how it goes. I think everyone that is a fan of Phil Lynott is aware he's not completely black. It's not insulting the man...Phil called himself black. It's an observation that's simplified. If it makes you feel better, if I was writing a term paper on the subject, I would make his racial origin very clear, but in casual conversation I'm going to call him a black irishman. Comphrende?
OBAMAisHalfCaste (18 minutes ago)
Well then you would just be hypocrting yourself writing his real racial background down but then speaking a Lie to ..What is that its nonsence..Listen dude .Phil was Biracial not Black as you already know so give him respect and other biracials respect by calling them that.How would you feel if someone called you Yellow or purple when your not No you are wrong im not here to insult but to bring the truth of god to your eyes..In Africa he is White i have been there and all Biracials are lebeled as White its wrong..And yes most labele them as Black to.But why follow there stupidity and lower yourselfs to there dumbness
blacksabfan (13 minutes ago)
First off, I wouldn't give a shit if someone called me yellow or purple or whatever. I'm more concerned about my accomplishments, which is why I feel stupid arguing about this. Lynott's accomplishments are being belittled because of your hellbent obsession with proving that he's biracial, something that I've never once denied. Secondly, you keep combining race and ethnicity as if they are interchangable. They are not.
Do not comment anymore or you will be banned. End of discussion.
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The fucker then chose to comment on my channel, and I chose to comment back on his, saying that his obsession seemed a bit unhealthy, and that perhaps he could be doing something more important with his life than worrying about whether or not someone is correctly classifying a person's race. Of course, he deleted my comments on his channel, because they might be seen by a person with a brain and they might use some common sense in determining that this guy is a little psychotic. I also made the point that people might take him more seriously if he typed comments without 50 typing errors in them...but what the hell do I know?
His biggest mistake however is that he chooses to use race and ethnicity as if they are interchangible terms. They are not. Race is black, white, hispanic, pacific islander, native american...etc. To be very un-PC about this...race is your color. Ethnicity, on the other hand, has to do with sharing traits through a common heritage. Irish, German, Czech, English, Scottish would be mine. Jews are an ethnic group. Ethnic groups share traits, be it linguistic, cultural, behavioral, religious, etc, and race is just one factor in that. Race can be a common trait within an ethnic group, but it in itself is NOT ethnicity. Phil Lynott was half-black and that is his race, but his ethnicity is wholly Irish. Even though Phil's dad was from British Guyana, I would claim that Phil shares none of ethnic traits associated with Guyana (whatever they are). I really don't see how that can be debated. Likewise there's a lot of white people in South Africa who are in fact African, but they sure as hell aren't black. So they aren't the same.
Basicially I know me going around calling Phil Lynott black is not as accurate as saying he's biracial, and maybe I'm technically wrong, but I'm also saying that I don't really give a fuck and that I understand the truth and just don't see a need to get overly technical about it. I certainly don't feel like calling him black is insulting. (Besides, I can't call him African-American, he's neither from Africa or America). Phil called himself black. Black Boys on the Corner? I'll be damned if he wasn't writing about himself as a kid. Phil knew he was biracial, but had no problem being called black. I view it the same way.
Monday, November 16, 2009
Another YouTube Idiot...
Hey everyone.
I had an interesting conversation today with a gentleman known as Ziggyztarz. It was on the audio clip of "Stop Messing Around" featuring Gary Moore and Phil Lynott trading off vocals. It can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlxwF4GyHO0
Lynott fans will be amused by what is said in the comments section. If you don't want to bother, then I've taken the liberty to copy them here for your amusement. There's a few points I want to be clear about first.
First off, this guy claims to have known Phil Lynott in the early 1970s. Prior to this conversation he had talked about knowing him in Germany and that he somehow "didn't get what was promised to him" or something to that effect. He also went on about "nazi uniforms"...not sure what that was about, but basically I think this guy has a few issues. Lynott probably did have the misfortune of running into this man in Germany in the early 70s and probably realized that he was off his rocker (no pun intended!) and wanted nothing to do with him. That's just my theory. Here's the conversation below:
Ziggyztarz (6 hours ago)
I don't hear Phil singing, are you sure he was with Gary at this concert?
Phil usually sang.......
The Photo is from 'Out in the Fields', ('85) just before Phil died.
What? You don't hear Phil singing?? He sings the whole second half of the song! Not to mention that Gary Moore at the very end says "Phil Lynott...Thank You...Goodnight". Obviously he didn't bother to listen to that part. I hadn't realized this right away, or else I'd have mentioned it sooner, but I thought it was just so blatantly obvious that Lynott was singing that this really wasn't needed...
blacksabfan (5 hours ago)
Yes, Phil sings the whole second part of the song. 2:12-2:33 is Phil.
And yeah, I know the pic is from "Out In the Fields". I took it from a stillframe of the video right from here on YouTube.
Ziggyztarz (5 hours ago)
Sorry, but you are wrong that isn't Phil singing it's Gary. Phil was close to me, I know his voice, this isn't!
Again, why do people think that just because they knew someone, that this makes them more correct?Phil Lynott was there. He sang on that song. Gary Moore thanks him and the audience at the end. It's on the Emerald Islevideo and it's public record. Belfast 1984. It happened, and my ears confirm it. Other people have already commented that they actually SAW it. You're just fucking wrong. I really don't get it.
blacksabfan (4 hours ago)
It's on "The Man and His Music" 7 disc bootleg set. It's definitely Phil in the second part. I've heard enough of Gary Moore and Phil Lynott to tell the difference between the two.
I think you really need to lay off the drugs...I mean this isn't the first post you've made that I've had to go "WTF?!" at.
Maybe the drug thing was underhanded...but c'mon, can you blame me? If you had seen some of the other things this guy has said you'd understand...
Ziggyztarz (1 hour ago)
If you continue to claim to be some kind of 'expert' and also claim the tracks as yours, I am going to FLAG your site. I don't use 'Drugs' your insult is the last straw!
Phil was a friend of mine, it is NOT his voice!
Never once have I claimed the tracks as mine, at least in the sense that "I own them". Yes, I have copies of them and that's what I'm referring to when I speak about them possessively. I didn't write the songs or perform them obviously. I haven't 'poached' other's videos (unlike certain other people). Likewise, I've never claimed to be an expert. I feel that I'm certainly knowledgable, but I don't feel I'm some supreme expert. However, I am sure on this specific point, and there should be ZERO debate about it.
Secondly, how does one 'flag' an entire site? Good luck with that. Not that I'm worried about it, but if I ever get shut down, I'll just get a new account and the songs will go right back up. And then I'll find the person(s) responsible and villianize them to the point where they won't be able to come on YouTube and hear about how much of a douchebag they are. Sure, I've made a few enemies here and there, but I think there's way more people that appreciate what I've done than there are detractors. I'm not going to pretend to like someone if I don't. It's dishonest. And yes, I can really be a jerk sometimes, but I honestly think certain people need that...sometimes being nice to them and trying to explain it rationally just doesn't come across to them. Basically, sometimes people need a kick in the ass. I have no problem doing that, and I'm not too concerned with how others feel about it.
blacksabfan (1 hour ago)
I don't know why you're being so hostile, but go ahead. Flag me for what? Because I disagree with your assessment? I don't know if you knew Phil Lynott or not, but regardless you are WRONG. Just because you supposedly knew Lynott doesn't mean you are automatically correct. For the record this was recorded in Belfast in 1984. It's quite verifiable. I suggest you go do a bit of research before you suggest I am wrong.
So please go ahead. I'm really not that concerned.
And for the record, I've never said I was an expert. However, you don't need to be a master chef to know that a turd sandwich tastes like shit. Catch my drift??
Take the last line to heart guys. It works wonders on those people that THINK they know everything, but in reality know nothing.
I had an interesting conversation today with a gentleman known as Ziggyztarz. It was on the audio clip of "Stop Messing Around" featuring Gary Moore and Phil Lynott trading off vocals. It can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlxwF4GyHO0
Lynott fans will be amused by what is said in the comments section. If you don't want to bother, then I've taken the liberty to copy them here for your amusement. There's a few points I want to be clear about first.
First off, this guy claims to have known Phil Lynott in the early 1970s. Prior to this conversation he had talked about knowing him in Germany and that he somehow "didn't get what was promised to him" or something to that effect. He also went on about "nazi uniforms"...not sure what that was about, but basically I think this guy has a few issues. Lynott probably did have the misfortune of running into this man in Germany in the early 70s and probably realized that he was off his rocker (no pun intended!) and wanted nothing to do with him. That's just my theory. Here's the conversation below:
Ziggyztarz (6 hours ago)
I don't hear Phil singing, are you sure he was with Gary at this concert?
Phil usually sang.......
The Photo is from 'Out in the Fields', ('85) just before Phil died.
What? You don't hear Phil singing?? He sings the whole second half of the song! Not to mention that Gary Moore at the very end says "Phil Lynott...Thank You...Goodnight". Obviously he didn't bother to listen to that part. I hadn't realized this right away, or else I'd have mentioned it sooner, but I thought it was just so blatantly obvious that Lynott was singing that this really wasn't needed...
blacksabfan (5 hours ago)
Yes, Phil sings the whole second part of the song. 2:12-2:33 is Phil.
And yeah, I know the pic is from "Out In the Fields". I took it from a stillframe of the video right from here on YouTube.
Ziggyztarz (5 hours ago)
Sorry, but you are wrong that isn't Phil singing it's Gary. Phil was close to me, I know his voice, this isn't!
Again, why do people think that just because they knew someone, that this makes them more correct?Phil Lynott was there. He sang on that song. Gary Moore thanks him and the audience at the end. It's on the Emerald Islevideo and it's public record. Belfast 1984. It happened, and my ears confirm it. Other people have already commented that they actually SAW it. You're just fucking wrong. I really don't get it.
blacksabfan (4 hours ago)
It's on "The Man and His Music" 7 disc bootleg set. It's definitely Phil in the second part. I've heard enough of Gary Moore and Phil Lynott to tell the difference between the two.
I think you really need to lay off the drugs...I mean this isn't the first post you've made that I've had to go "WTF?!" at.
Maybe the drug thing was underhanded...but c'mon, can you blame me? If you had seen some of the other things this guy has said you'd understand...
Ziggyztarz (1 hour ago)
If you continue to claim to be some kind of 'expert' and also claim the tracks as yours, I am going to FLAG your site. I don't use 'Drugs' your insult is the last straw!
Phil was a friend of mine, it is NOT his voice!
Never once have I claimed the tracks as mine, at least in the sense that "I own them". Yes, I have copies of them and that's what I'm referring to when I speak about them possessively. I didn't write the songs or perform them obviously. I haven't 'poached' other's videos (unlike certain other people). Likewise, I've never claimed to be an expert. I feel that I'm certainly knowledgable, but I don't feel I'm some supreme expert. However, I am sure on this specific point, and there should be ZERO debate about it.
Secondly, how does one 'flag' an entire site? Good luck with that. Not that I'm worried about it, but if I ever get shut down, I'll just get a new account and the songs will go right back up. And then I'll find the person(s) responsible and villianize them to the point where they won't be able to come on YouTube and hear about how much of a douchebag they are. Sure, I've made a few enemies here and there, but I think there's way more people that appreciate what I've done than there are detractors. I'm not going to pretend to like someone if I don't. It's dishonest. And yes, I can really be a jerk sometimes, but I honestly think certain people need that...sometimes being nice to them and trying to explain it rationally just doesn't come across to them. Basically, sometimes people need a kick in the ass. I have no problem doing that, and I'm not too concerned with how others feel about it.
blacksabfan (1 hour ago)
I don't know why you're being so hostile, but go ahead. Flag me for what? Because I disagree with your assessment? I don't know if you knew Phil Lynott or not, but regardless you are WRONG. Just because you supposedly knew Lynott doesn't mean you are automatically correct. For the record this was recorded in Belfast in 1984. It's quite verifiable. I suggest you go do a bit of research before you suggest I am wrong.
So please go ahead. I'm really not that concerned.
And for the record, I've never said I was an expert. However, you don't need to be a master chef to know that a turd sandwich tastes like shit. Catch my drift??
Take the last line to heart guys. It works wonders on those people that THINK they know everything, but in reality know nothing.
Tuesday, November 3, 2009
Help with lyrics for rare Lynott tracks.
Hi everyone. Sorry for the extended absence. I've been working like a mad man.
Lately, I've been getting several requests for lyrics to some of the rare Lynott/Grand Slam/Lizzy songs. Obviously I can't just look them up online and post them, because they haven't been posted by anyone else. So, I've painstakingly tried to transcribe some of them myself...which has led to mixed results.
Here's where you come in. I'm requesting help to transcribe any songs that I've posted related to Lizzy and Lynott. This also goes for any Sabbath fans who would like to transcribe any of the alternate versions of Paranoid and MoR tracks that I've posted. It's more beneficial to have several sets of ears than it is just one. People hear differently and I think it's a good way to get involved. If anyone is willing to help me out, I'd be more than happy to pass along some stuff from my collection.
If you decide to transcribe a song, just go ahead and comment on it and you can either post your work there in the comments section, pm it to me at YouTube, or email it to me at sweeneyrp@hotmail.com. Even if you can only get a few lines of a song...anything is helpful.
For example, one tough song I've been having trouble with is "She Cries" by Grand Slam. The quality isn't the greatest and I can't make out significant portions. Another user gave his input and while some of it I think it is correct, there's other parts that I totally disagree with, and that emphasizes the importance of having several people listen to it. I'd like to be able to get a lot of these songs transcribed correctly (or as best as possible) so they can be posted on lyric sites.
The "Real Canadian" James Taylor (www.trcjt.ca/ab950/lizzy.html) also has attempted to post lyrics to some of the rarer tracks (notably Revolution, Catholic Charm, and Don't Let Him Slip Away). I, however, do not hear the same things he heard when he created his transcription of the lyrics. I could go into this in detail but it's not important. If you're truly interested, compare my transcription of Don't Let Him Slip Away against his transcription and check out the differences. I'm not saying he's wrong and I'm right...I very well could be wrong...but I'd like some more opinions on the subject. For the record, his page is amazing and he obviously has taken a lot of time over the years compiling all that information. If you haven't checked out his page, you should.
That's all I got for now. Should have a new post up sometime this week.
Ryan
Lately, I've been getting several requests for lyrics to some of the rare Lynott/Grand Slam/Lizzy songs. Obviously I can't just look them up online and post them, because they haven't been posted by anyone else. So, I've painstakingly tried to transcribe some of them myself...which has led to mixed results.
Here's where you come in. I'm requesting help to transcribe any songs that I've posted related to Lizzy and Lynott. This also goes for any Sabbath fans who would like to transcribe any of the alternate versions of Paranoid and MoR tracks that I've posted. It's more beneficial to have several sets of ears than it is just one. People hear differently and I think it's a good way to get involved. If anyone is willing to help me out, I'd be more than happy to pass along some stuff from my collection.
If you decide to transcribe a song, just go ahead and comment on it and you can either post your work there in the comments section, pm it to me at YouTube, or email it to me at sweeneyrp@hotmail.com. Even if you can only get a few lines of a song...anything is helpful.
For example, one tough song I've been having trouble with is "She Cries" by Grand Slam. The quality isn't the greatest and I can't make out significant portions. Another user gave his input and while some of it I think it is correct, there's other parts that I totally disagree with, and that emphasizes the importance of having several people listen to it. I'd like to be able to get a lot of these songs transcribed correctly (or as best as possible) so they can be posted on lyric sites.
The "Real Canadian" James Taylor (www.trcjt.ca/ab950/lizzy.html) also has attempted to post lyrics to some of the rarer tracks (notably Revolution, Catholic Charm, and Don't Let Him Slip Away). I, however, do not hear the same things he heard when he created his transcription of the lyrics. I could go into this in detail but it's not important. If you're truly interested, compare my transcription of Don't Let Him Slip Away against his transcription and check out the differences. I'm not saying he's wrong and I'm right...I very well could be wrong...but I'd like some more opinions on the subject. For the record, his page is amazing and he obviously has taken a lot of time over the years compiling all that information. If you haven't checked out his page, you should.
That's all I got for now. Should have a new post up sometime this week.
Ryan
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