Hi everyone.
Recently, RL has decided to release the famous Phil Lynott solo gig, 'Omagh 1982' to the public.
That said, demanding that everyone thank them for it is a bit silly. They had the gig for nearly 6 years (at least) and didn't bother to do anything with it until now. Why now? Scroll down my blog and put 2 & 2 together.
Again, the real thanks go to the person who was able to get this from Phil Lynott to begin with, which is something RL has never even mentioned...
Now to the show itself...it' a great SBD audio. The copy that RL has been giving out has gaps between all the songs AND is lossy. They assumed it wasn't based on the original notes I received with it, but upon further review, it's definitely lossy. However, the quality alone is superb, and well worth the download.
I took it upon myself to also open up all the files, remove the annoying gaps, and reconvert to new flac files, all aligned on sector boundaries. It's definitely an improvement, and should be the definitive version until a lossless version appears.
Here is the link for the entire show:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IAY2G0P9
Enjoy the show everyone.
Friday, March 26, 2010
Monday, March 22, 2010
Thanks.
While RL is busy doing damage control (or touting themselves as heroes, depending upon your POV), I'm going to thank the REAL person responsible for "In the Delta" coming to light. I'm sort of disgusted at watching RL try to claim this as their doing. It's not like the track was discovered by them. Someone had it first. Hopefully I'll get to meet him personally and have a bit of a chat. Maybe someone who knows him can point him in my direction...
Sunday, March 21, 2010
The "Circle of Fools" has done it again!
Hi everyone.
The Thin Lizzy supporters that frequent this blog have already read about my past experiences with Thin Lizzy fan site "Rock Legend". Yeah, I don't like them and they don't like me. Fine. I must share this latest run-in with them though, to share with you some news, and to share with you THE TRUTH.
The big news is that the ultimate holy grail track "In the Delta" is now on YouTube.
It was posted there by "Father Jack". People that "know", know who he is. From time to time, him and others in the RL crew like to throw gold coins to us "less forunate" Thin Lizzy supporters. They claim to find all this rare stuff, and make it available ASAP to everyone. They claim they want to share other rare tracks but can't because you need rare tracks to trade for other rare tracks not in their possession. This logic makes perfectly good sense.
However, this is NOT what RL does. "In the Delta" is proof of that. I've said it for a couple years now, and this time I have indisputable proof of their TRUE motives.
The reason "In the Delta" is up on YouTube now? IT's simply because I doubted they had it, and they wanted to "prove me wrong". How dumb is that? Well, not as dumb as what you're going to read here below.
This started about a week ago. Another YouTube user, completely out of the blue, emailed me the lyrics to "In the Delta". He said he had owned it for years and it was a rare trade-only item. He insinuated that I might be able to contact the person who had another rare track and set up a trade. I said I wasn't interested though, but kept the correspondence.
Then I decided, as a complete joke, to email RL saying I had the track. This is shit that happens quite often. Am I a jerk, maybe...but I'm also one that likes to have a little fun now and then. I contacted the webmaster of Rock Legend, knowing full well he would tell anyone within earshot...but not expecting anything major to happen. Here is the actual correspondence:
Me = Red, RL = Blue
Sent: Mon 3/15/10 3:13 PM
To: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Wooh wooh wooh wooh.......(for one minute or so)
I've been working down in the delta, Lord it done me no good. When your working out in the delta all you is blood, sweat, and blood in the delta.
Wooh wooh wooh wooh.....................................................
I've been working on that chain-gang, breaking rocks for the man on that chain gang. You get no pity that man don't give a damn, damn, damn in the delta.
Wooh wooh wooh wooh.....................................................
Who says there has to be a moral. See my berathed has taken a fall. Who says I'm resting on my laurels. Who says I got anything in common with you at all, see as silly has it seems...so tired living out someboby else's dream. So tired living out somebody else's dream. More time I waste more time I must redeem. So tired living out somebody else's dream
Just ask Prince Laurence of the Bahamas. So tired living out somebody else's dream for the flash scene.
Thought you might be interested.
RS
rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Sent: Mon 3/15/10 6:24 PM
To: Me
So have you managed to get hold of a copy of In the Delta or is it just the lyrics you have Ryan?
Jim
Sent: Mon 3/15/10 9:40 PM All I have to say is that I've waited for this moment a long time now. I wouldn't waste my time if it wasn't going to be worth my while.
I'd post a sample, but I don't have permission. This is surely something you and some others understand...right? There's protocol involved...
RS
From: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Sent: Tue 3/16/10 5:37 PM
I hope you enjoy it - it really a very interesting track - but nowhopefully you will see that sometimes to get access to certain veryinteresting tracks you just cannot post them and share them otherwisesources just dry up!
Sent: Tue 3/16/10 10:42 PM
To: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
It is a very interesting track. Although I'm not sure how YOU know it's interesting...It is my understanding that I'm exactly the 7th person to have a copy. That's what person #6 told me. If my calculations are correct, there's no way you or anyone else you personally talk to on a regular basis has a copy of it. That would make the number much higher than 7. So, someone's not telling the truth...
But that said, yes I will enjoy it. And it's not completely out of the question that it could turn up on YouTube. But I have some other people I need to talk to a bit first, some more shopping around to do, you know how it is.
From: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Sent: Wed 3/17/10 5:11 PM
Ryan not sure if your information is correct and that is the problem withthe world of Thin Lizzy trading as you, me or anyone else does not reallyknow who has what! So yes I have a copy in fact I have had a copy before you and I firstcommunicated but as you know after my experience I stopped all trading so
I will just add before I finish can I urge you to think very carefully before spreading the track far and wide as there is one or two rare trackwhich others are trying to track down and secure and if In the Delta was"out there" the people are trying to secure tracks like Story of my Life and others. So I know you will make your own mind up on this but just think about ityou may have a key part to play in helping to get the last few of the losttracks unearthed and contrary to your thoughts I know that the people Ihave contact with have always wanted to share all the tracts once they hadmanaged to release the tracks which are held by others.
So I will go now and I genuinely hope you enjoy the track. J
Sent: Wed 3/17/10 8:43 PM
To: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Nah, I'm sure my information is correct. Here's why:No one from RL is going to give me the time of day, except for maybe you, if I had a question about any unreleased material. I've known this for a long time, and when I was booted from the forums (and I was booted) I didn't look back.
The guy I got the track from was the long time owner. He knows exactly who has the track. I know copies have been VERY LIMITED, for the exact reasons you mentioned. If someone from RL had it, I wouldn't of wasted my time gloating to you about it. In fact, I would of posted it already, probably just to stick it to them even more. Also, no one from RL is going to come to me, out of the blue, and just say, "Hey, Ryan, you want a copy of this track..." Get real Jim. I know you guys have been looking for it for a long, long time. Hell, I know when the whole Unfinished Sympathy business came about, no one at RL had even heard of "In the Delta". I know you're bluffing, and I know you're trying to not make a big deal about it because you don't want to "overplay" your hand. Hell, it's probably the closest you guys are going to get to acquiring that track.
Another reason I know you don't have it, is that it would of appeared as at least a snippet in what "nothinbutblue" posted on YouTube. I know his identity too. I know where those tracks are coming from, and I know why some appear as snippets. C'mon Jim, if you really had the track, you would of said as much in the very first message and probably not bothered replying to me. But you guys won't let it go until you either get some information from me on how to acquire it, or convince me to cough it up...neither which are going to happen.
And even if you do have it, I could totally piss up any effort you guys have of acquiring other rare tracks. If that is what you're doing...you'd think after 20 years you'd have gotten somewhere with that by now.
I might be young, but I've played a lot of Poker in my time. I'm damn near unbeatable at that game. This is the same exact thing in my eyes.
That's all I have to say on this. You can reply back, but I won't be responding any further. I wish you the best Jim.
RS
From: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Sent: Thu 3/18/10 5:24 PM
Okay Ryan you believe what you want to believe but if you are such agood poker player you should know when to fold and admit you do not havea winning hand! And I am sorry to disappoint you but your source does not have the fullpicture so if you still think I do not have it then if I say it is a slowbluesey number maybe you will realise that I do! So you came over to gloat well sorry to piss on the parade with that one -so I guess we can expect it on Youtube and if only you had taken time withme some time ago maybe you and I would have shared more than we did but asyou will not be reading this I guess you will never know! J
From: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Sent: Sun 3/21/10 7:52 AM
Don't think we have it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oECJDo1jB9g
Sent: Sun 3/21/10 1:35 PM
To: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Well, guess I was wrong...
And now you're thinking, you and Phil O. both, that "Yes, we finally got that SOB this time."
Well, here's the funniest part of all...
Wait for it...
... ...
I NEVER HAD THE TRACK TO BEGIN WITH.
Amazing what a set of lyrics and a reputation can do for you. You should of stuck to your guns at the beginning and assumed I didn't have it. I knew either way, whether you had the track or not, that I could get some type of reaction out of you. However, this is totally beyond even my expectations.
Now I have to ask...do you have any more rare tracks that you're saving to "get back at people"? I mean, you claim that you need to be saving them to trade for other rarities, but on a whim you can just post them to supposedly get back at me for claiming you didn't have it? If anything, all you've done is make people question your motives. Are you really saving them for the whole "rarities for rarities" excuse, or using them as golden nuggets to dole out on any given whim to make it seem like you're bigshots? Right now it looks a lot more like the latter. Not that I care HOW you guys look to a casual observer, but YOU might.
Thanks for the gift. And the laughs.
RS
That last paragraph in my last message to them says it all. And the rest of it is the reason "In the Delta" is on YouTube. They've had this track and other tracks in their back pockets for years. Perhaps at one time they were trying to trade them for rare tracks, but that time has long passed. The holders of the few tracks they don't have want nothing to do with them. So, yes they could share them, but they don't. They save them for special occasions...like this. They wanted to beat me to the bank, because they were worried I might get other rare tracks, or post the track on YouTube myself. Well, thinking they were gonna get me good...they posted it themselves. Thanks guys.
But don't let them tell you they are doing it because they are generous, or they are doing it because they wanted to share it. If I didn't press them, it never would of turned up. They are doing it because they THINK they got me good...oh no, no, no.
Can't wait to see how they will spin this. They are going to need to do some damage control.
Enjoy the track guys.
Ryan
The Thin Lizzy supporters that frequent this blog have already read about my past experiences with Thin Lizzy fan site "Rock Legend". Yeah, I don't like them and they don't like me. Fine. I must share this latest run-in with them though, to share with you some news, and to share with you THE TRUTH.
The big news is that the ultimate holy grail track "In the Delta" is now on YouTube.
It was posted there by "Father Jack". People that "know", know who he is. From time to time, him and others in the RL crew like to throw gold coins to us "less forunate" Thin Lizzy supporters. They claim to find all this rare stuff, and make it available ASAP to everyone. They claim they want to share other rare tracks but can't because you need rare tracks to trade for other rare tracks not in their possession. This logic makes perfectly good sense.
However, this is NOT what RL does. "In the Delta" is proof of that. I've said it for a couple years now, and this time I have indisputable proof of their TRUE motives.
The reason "In the Delta" is up on YouTube now? IT's simply because I doubted they had it, and they wanted to "prove me wrong". How dumb is that? Well, not as dumb as what you're going to read here below.
This started about a week ago. Another YouTube user, completely out of the blue, emailed me the lyrics to "In the Delta". He said he had owned it for years and it was a rare trade-only item. He insinuated that I might be able to contact the person who had another rare track and set up a trade. I said I wasn't interested though, but kept the correspondence.
Then I decided, as a complete joke, to email RL saying I had the track. This is shit that happens quite often. Am I a jerk, maybe...but I'm also one that likes to have a little fun now and then. I contacted the webmaster of Rock Legend, knowing full well he would tell anyone within earshot...but not expecting anything major to happen. Here is the actual correspondence:
Me = Red, RL = Blue
Sent: Mon 3/15/10 3:13 PM
To: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Wooh wooh wooh wooh.......(for one minute or so)
I've been working down in the delta, Lord it done me no good. When your working out in the delta all you is blood, sweat, and blood in the delta.
Wooh wooh wooh wooh.....................................................
I've been working on that chain-gang, breaking rocks for the man on that chain gang. You get no pity that man don't give a damn, damn, damn in the delta.
Wooh wooh wooh wooh.....................................................
Who says there has to be a moral. See my berathed has taken a fall. Who says I'm resting on my laurels. Who says I got anything in common with you at all, see as silly has it seems...so tired living out someboby else's dream. So tired living out somebody else's dream. More time I waste more time I must redeem. So tired living out somebody else's dream
Just ask Prince Laurence of the Bahamas. So tired living out somebody else's dream for the flash scene.
Thought you might be interested.
RS
rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Sent: Mon 3/15/10 6:24 PM
To: Me
So have you managed to get hold of a copy of In the Delta or is it just the lyrics you have Ryan?
Jim
Sent: Mon 3/15/10 9:40 PM All I have to say is that I've waited for this moment a long time now. I wouldn't waste my time if it wasn't going to be worth my while.
I'd post a sample, but I don't have permission. This is surely something you and some others understand...right? There's protocol involved...
RS
From: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Sent: Tue 3/16/10 5:37 PM
I hope you enjoy it - it really a very interesting track - but nowhopefully you will see that sometimes to get access to certain veryinteresting tracks you just cannot post them and share them otherwisesources just dry up!
Sent: Tue 3/16/10 10:42 PM
To: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
It is a very interesting track. Although I'm not sure how YOU know it's interesting...It is my understanding that I'm exactly the 7th person to have a copy. That's what person #6 told me. If my calculations are correct, there's no way you or anyone else you personally talk to on a regular basis has a copy of it. That would make the number much higher than 7. So, someone's not telling the truth...
But that said, yes I will enjoy it. And it's not completely out of the question that it could turn up on YouTube. But I have some other people I need to talk to a bit first, some more shopping around to do, you know how it is.
From: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Sent: Wed 3/17/10 5:11 PM
Ryan not sure if your information is correct and that is the problem withthe world of Thin Lizzy trading as you, me or anyone else does not reallyknow who has what! So yes I have a copy in fact I have had a copy before you and I firstcommunicated but as you know after my experience I stopped all trading so
I will just add before I finish can I urge you to think very carefully before spreading the track far and wide as there is one or two rare trackwhich others are trying to track down and secure and if In the Delta was"out there" the people are trying to secure tracks like Story of my Life and others. So I know you will make your own mind up on this but just think about ityou may have a key part to play in helping to get the last few of the losttracks unearthed and contrary to your thoughts I know that the people Ihave contact with have always wanted to share all the tracts once they hadmanaged to release the tracks which are held by others.
So I will go now and I genuinely hope you enjoy the track. J
Sent: Wed 3/17/10 8:43 PM
To: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Nah, I'm sure my information is correct. Here's why:No one from RL is going to give me the time of day, except for maybe you, if I had a question about any unreleased material. I've known this for a long time, and when I was booted from the forums (and I was booted) I didn't look back.
The guy I got the track from was the long time owner. He knows exactly who has the track. I know copies have been VERY LIMITED, for the exact reasons you mentioned. If someone from RL had it, I wouldn't of wasted my time gloating to you about it. In fact, I would of posted it already, probably just to stick it to them even more. Also, no one from RL is going to come to me, out of the blue, and just say, "Hey, Ryan, you want a copy of this track..." Get real Jim. I know you guys have been looking for it for a long, long time. Hell, I know when the whole Unfinished Sympathy business came about, no one at RL had even heard of "In the Delta". I know you're bluffing, and I know you're trying to not make a big deal about it because you don't want to "overplay" your hand. Hell, it's probably the closest you guys are going to get to acquiring that track.
Another reason I know you don't have it, is that it would of appeared as at least a snippet in what "nothinbutblue" posted on YouTube. I know his identity too. I know where those tracks are coming from, and I know why some appear as snippets. C'mon Jim, if you really had the track, you would of said as much in the very first message and probably not bothered replying to me. But you guys won't let it go until you either get some information from me on how to acquire it, or convince me to cough it up...neither which are going to happen.
And even if you do have it, I could totally piss up any effort you guys have of acquiring other rare tracks. If that is what you're doing...you'd think after 20 years you'd have gotten somewhere with that by now.
I might be young, but I've played a lot of Poker in my time. I'm damn near unbeatable at that game. This is the same exact thing in my eyes.
That's all I have to say on this. You can reply back, but I won't be responding any further. I wish you the best Jim.
RS
From: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Sent: Thu 3/18/10 5:24 PM
Okay Ryan you believe what you want to believe but if you are such agood poker player you should know when to fold and admit you do not havea winning hand! And I am sorry to disappoint you but your source does not have the fullpicture so if you still think I do not have it then if I say it is a slowbluesey number maybe you will realise that I do! So you came over to gloat well sorry to piss on the parade with that one -so I guess we can expect it on Youtube and if only you had taken time withme some time ago maybe you and I would have shared more than we did but asyou will not be reading this I guess you will never know! J
From: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Sent: Sun 3/21/10 7:52 AM
Don't think we have it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oECJDo1jB9g
Sent: Sun 3/21/10 1:35 PM
To: rocklegend@thin-lizzy.info
Well, guess I was wrong...
And now you're thinking, you and Phil O. both, that "Yes, we finally got that SOB this time."
Well, here's the funniest part of all...
Wait for it...
... ...
I NEVER HAD THE TRACK TO BEGIN WITH.
Amazing what a set of lyrics and a reputation can do for you. You should of stuck to your guns at the beginning and assumed I didn't have it. I knew either way, whether you had the track or not, that I could get some type of reaction out of you. However, this is totally beyond even my expectations.
Now I have to ask...do you have any more rare tracks that you're saving to "get back at people"? I mean, you claim that you need to be saving them to trade for other rarities, but on a whim you can just post them to supposedly get back at me for claiming you didn't have it? If anything, all you've done is make people question your motives. Are you really saving them for the whole "rarities for rarities" excuse, or using them as golden nuggets to dole out on any given whim to make it seem like you're bigshots? Right now it looks a lot more like the latter. Not that I care HOW you guys look to a casual observer, but YOU might.
Thanks for the gift. And the laughs.
RS
That last paragraph in my last message to them says it all. And the rest of it is the reason "In the Delta" is on YouTube. They've had this track and other tracks in their back pockets for years. Perhaps at one time they were trying to trade them for rare tracks, but that time has long passed. The holders of the few tracks they don't have want nothing to do with them. So, yes they could share them, but they don't. They save them for special occasions...like this. They wanted to beat me to the bank, because they were worried I might get other rare tracks, or post the track on YouTube myself. Well, thinking they were gonna get me good...they posted it themselves. Thanks guys.
But don't let them tell you they are doing it because they are generous, or they are doing it because they wanted to share it. If I didn't press them, it never would of turned up. They are doing it because they THINK they got me good...oh no, no, no.
Can't wait to see how they will spin this. They are going to need to do some damage control.
Enjoy the track guys.
Ryan
Thursday, February 4, 2010
DimeADozen needs to get a fucking clue.
Hi everyone.
Just got done posting a torrent. It took 2 hrs. It shouldn't take 2 hrs, especially since I had it prepared last night. Leave it to DIME to fuck things up and leave me pissed off.
I attempted to post a lossless version of "Snowed in Cork". It contains some soundcheck tracks from both Cork and Hammersmith, as well as the first 5 tracks from the gig at Cork on 13 April 1980. Shortly after I posted it, it was banned because of track number 10.
Track 10 is "Don't Play Around" (Soundcheck from 29 May 1980 @ Hammersmith)
I looked at the link they gave me, and all it said was that it was officially released as the B-Side of the Killer on the Loose single. I knew that's bullshit. That was a studio release. So I emailed them for an explanation. This is what I got:
I'm going to post this email exchange, tell me if you think my logic is flawed at all. I don't think it is, but DIME seems very adamant about their stance.
Me = Red
Dime = Blue
Hi.
I uploaded torrent #288846 - Thin Lizzy Snowed in Cork, and it was banned because someone claimed the track "Don't Play Around" (from the Hammersmith Soundcheck was used on the "Killer on the Loose" B-Side.
Well, it wasn't. The B-Side for that single was the Studio version of "Don't Play Around", not what I posted.
Hi Ryan
The released studio version of "Don't Play Around" was recorded at the Hammersmith soundcheck in 1980 and was reworked in the studio so its to iffy to run here.
best
Brother_52
Reworked? They aren't even close to the same thing! Likewise, that information isn't even listed on the link provided and I'd like to see some proof of that before you start banning torrents.
If you have the Swedish 2CD release of "The Boys Are Back In Town" from from 2001 on Vertigo 548483-2,please read the sleeve notes written by Jörgen Holmstedt in the inner tray. Thats sufficient information for us to call this particular track off limits on DIME.
I think that's being way too picky. But whatever. When I put it up without that track, I'll expect you to show up and explain to everyone else why that track isn't there.
No its not whatever, its one of the reason why DIME still exists. We were forced to close down twice in not too distant past. On both occasions, it was because of one track in one torrent. That's all it takes. Sorry but we are not willing to put DIME in risk simply because you don't like the way it affects your uploading.
"When I put it up without that track, I'll expect you to show up and explain to everyone else why that track isn't there."
No, you could just link to this page
http://www.trcjt.ca/ap960/lizzy/sc_disk2.html
Because it was "probably recorded". Wow, that's convincing evidence that obviously didn't come from listening to the two songs...
Well if I am not slightly mistaken the same thing is even mentioned in "The Rocker" by Mark Putterford,so if you know more than the journalists Holmstedt and Putterford who both had followed the band very close,well good on you.
"Probably recorded" makes this a conflict with an official release and then the track is off limits on DIME until evidence can be provided to prove otherwise.
I just got out my copy of the Rocker, it doesn't say anything of the sort. It talks about a live version of "Chinatown" being recorded for a b-side at one of the hammersmith gigs, but not anything about "Don't Play Around" being reworked or used for any singles. In theory, then why should any demos be allowed here? Those songs end up 'reworked' and on official releases...seems like the same thing to me.
I know you've had "legal issues" twice, but there's a difference between caution and sheer paranoia.
Don't bother to send anymore messages. I'm not reading them, and I've said all I need to say.
I figured I had pushed my luck enough at this point. I don't agree with their logic. A reworked track is something different. If it was anyone else they probably wouldn't give a shit, or if Brother_52 wasn't some Lizzy 'expert' it would pass right under their noses. I've seen it before with regards to certain Sabbath posts.
Oh, and if you want the track that caused all this, look no further:
www.megaupload.com/?d=BZ0AG0AK
You tell me if it sounds like the studio version...
EDIT:
And for the record, DIME, if you keep sending me stupid emails, which give various excuses but never any apologies for when you are actually wrong about something (and you are), then expect me to keep posting them on my blog.
Since I initiated the correspondence, nor do I feel I have anything to hide, I don't have a problem with it.
I loved this though:
Me: "In theory, then why should any demos be allowed here? Those songs end up 'reworked' and on official releases...seems like the same thing to me.
Dime: "Then make your own tracker with your own rules and take the legal responsibility yourself."
Translation: Good point. But we don't give a fuck and won't admit you make sense. We'll just bitch at you like it's your fault. Then get mad because you've chosen to highlight this idiocy in a public forum out of our control.
I wouldn't have a problem with any of this if they were halfway respectful. But they aren't. They are more worried about legal issues than trying to deal with any of the people that use DIME. If someone asks a question which may be answered in the FAQ page (despite the fact they have shit all over the place in there and it's hard to navigate as it is), they get all condescending and come down on them like the jerks they are. Here's another example from another post on another torrent.
#3776571 by Blacksabfan at 2010-01-30 04:33:41 GMT
Thanks for posting the AUD of this.
The thing thats always intrigued me is that the officially released "Live in Sweden" disc contains the supposed Avesta show (SBD) as a bonus disc, yet from simply listening to this and that disc, the shows aren't the same. I'm fairly certain that this is Avesta...so I wonder what that bonus disc really is.
#3777085 by Brother_52 at 2010-01-30 12:02:55 GMT
This Avesta recording is NOT the same show as the bonus disc "Live In Sweden" and not in conflict with the Zoom release. I own the Avesta silver discs as well as the Zoom release.
From what I remember the Zoom release is from
1983-08-05 Brunnsparken,Örebro,Sweden
and is not in conflict with any of the 3 musketeers recordings which is in circulation in trading circles
Brother_52
The Mod Team
#3777819 by Blacksabfan at 2010-01-30 17:43:31 GMT
That's exactly what I already said...
#3778084 by Brother_52 at 2010-01-30 19:20:01 GMT
There is a major difference,I speak on behalf of DIME.
Several users have reported this torrent as wikipedia says the official release on Zoom has material from Avesta. If there is a conflict between this torrent and and an official release this torrent would not be allowed shared here as it could cause DIME legal problems. As the moderators see it there is no problem with this torrent running here as either is this torrent wrongly dated or wikipedia/Zoom Records have got the date for the recording on the bonus disc wrong.
And by the way, that's posted in the comments section and is public. I didn't have to go through my email to dig those out.
See my point. It would be fine if they just would concur, because the reason I made my first post was to show to others that it wasn't the same thing as the supposed official release. But, he not only ignores my post and copies the exact same information, he then goes on to say about how his expertise in Lizzy supercedes mine because he's a moderator and he speaks on "behalf of Dime". Whoopie shit. There's easier ways to agree with someone than belitting someone else's knowledge and touting your credentials.
Secondly, I would think posting a show that claims to be from a date that already has an official release would be something that could cause a legal issue. Granted we know they both aren't the same, but it's not like any lawyer or music label is going to know this. So, it seems like you're taking a risk by letting it remain on the tracker. That's fine and good, and I don't even disagree, it should be on the tracker because it's not the same show. I'm just saying it might lead to confusion, and could lead to legal trouble from those who aren't as informed about such matters. Yet, you seem to be willing to risk it in this case, but not for my case. It almost is like you just seem to pick battles how you see fit, and not whether they make sense or not. The track I posted as a different guitar solo and runs significantly longer than the official release. It's not even remotely close to being the same. Reworked to me means it's way different and should be allowed. Hell, it's more different than a lot of demos that get reworked...but yet those aren't banned. It almost seems like they enjoy picking on me when I upload stuff and overly scrutinzing it just because they don't like me making examples of them to the general public, and pointing out their mistakes and contradictions.
And yes, YOU DO MAKE THEM. Just because you're running DIME doesn't mean you're infallible.
It's that attitude above, and their resistance to apologize and correct mistakes that makes me post private email from them in a blog.
Just got done posting a torrent. It took 2 hrs. It shouldn't take 2 hrs, especially since I had it prepared last night. Leave it to DIME to fuck things up and leave me pissed off.
I attempted to post a lossless version of "Snowed in Cork". It contains some soundcheck tracks from both Cork and Hammersmith, as well as the first 5 tracks from the gig at Cork on 13 April 1980. Shortly after I posted it, it was banned because of track number 10.
Track 10 is "Don't Play Around" (Soundcheck from 29 May 1980 @ Hammersmith)
I looked at the link they gave me, and all it said was that it was officially released as the B-Side of the Killer on the Loose single. I knew that's bullshit. That was a studio release. So I emailed them for an explanation. This is what I got:
I'm going to post this email exchange, tell me if you think my logic is flawed at all. I don't think it is, but DIME seems very adamant about their stance.
Me = Red
Dime = Blue
Hi.
I uploaded torrent #288846 - Thin Lizzy Snowed in Cork, and it was banned because someone claimed the track "Don't Play Around" (from the Hammersmith Soundcheck was used on the "Killer on the Loose" B-Side.
Well, it wasn't. The B-Side for that single was the Studio version of "Don't Play Around", not what I posted.
Hi Ryan
The released studio version of "Don't Play Around" was recorded at the Hammersmith soundcheck in 1980 and was reworked in the studio so its to iffy to run here.
best
Brother_52
Reworked? They aren't even close to the same thing! Likewise, that information isn't even listed on the link provided and I'd like to see some proof of that before you start banning torrents.
If you have the Swedish 2CD release of "The Boys Are Back In Town" from from 2001 on Vertigo 548483-2,please read the sleeve notes written by Jörgen Holmstedt in the inner tray. Thats sufficient information for us to call this particular track off limits on DIME.
I think that's being way too picky. But whatever. When I put it up without that track, I'll expect you to show up and explain to everyone else why that track isn't there.
No its not whatever, its one of the reason why DIME still exists. We were forced to close down twice in not too distant past. On both occasions, it was because of one track in one torrent. That's all it takes. Sorry but we are not willing to put DIME in risk simply because you don't like the way it affects your uploading.
"When I put it up without that track, I'll expect you to show up and explain to everyone else why that track isn't there."
No, you could just link to this page
http://www.trcjt.ca/ap960/lizzy/sc_disk2.html
Because it was "probably recorded". Wow, that's convincing evidence that obviously didn't come from listening to the two songs...
Well if I am not slightly mistaken the same thing is even mentioned in "The Rocker" by Mark Putterford,so if you know more than the journalists Holmstedt and Putterford who both had followed the band very close,well good on you.
"Probably recorded" makes this a conflict with an official release and then the track is off limits on DIME until evidence can be provided to prove otherwise.
I just got out my copy of the Rocker, it doesn't say anything of the sort. It talks about a live version of "Chinatown" being recorded for a b-side at one of the hammersmith gigs, but not anything about "Don't Play Around" being reworked or used for any singles. In theory, then why should any demos be allowed here? Those songs end up 'reworked' and on official releases...seems like the same thing to me.
I know you've had "legal issues" twice, but there's a difference between caution and sheer paranoia.
Don't bother to send anymore messages. I'm not reading them, and I've said all I need to say.
I figured I had pushed my luck enough at this point. I don't agree with their logic. A reworked track is something different. If it was anyone else they probably wouldn't give a shit, or if Brother_52 wasn't some Lizzy 'expert' it would pass right under their noses. I've seen it before with regards to certain Sabbath posts.
Oh, and if you want the track that caused all this, look no further:
www.megaupload.com/?d=BZ0AG0AK
You tell me if it sounds like the studio version...
EDIT:
And for the record, DIME, if you keep sending me stupid emails, which give various excuses but never any apologies for when you are actually wrong about something (and you are), then expect me to keep posting them on my blog.
Since I initiated the correspondence, nor do I feel I have anything to hide, I don't have a problem with it.
I loved this though:
Me: "In theory, then why should any demos be allowed here? Those songs end up 'reworked' and on official releases...seems like the same thing to me.
Dime: "Then make your own tracker with your own rules and take the legal responsibility yourself."
Translation: Good point. But we don't give a fuck and won't admit you make sense. We'll just bitch at you like it's your fault. Then get mad because you've chosen to highlight this idiocy in a public forum out of our control.
I wouldn't have a problem with any of this if they were halfway respectful. But they aren't. They are more worried about legal issues than trying to deal with any of the people that use DIME. If someone asks a question which may be answered in the FAQ page (despite the fact they have shit all over the place in there and it's hard to navigate as it is), they get all condescending and come down on them like the jerks they are. Here's another example from another post on another torrent.
#3776571 by Blacksabfan at 2010-01-30 04:33:41 GMT
Thanks for posting the AUD of this.
The thing thats always intrigued me is that the officially released "Live in Sweden" disc contains the supposed Avesta show (SBD) as a bonus disc, yet from simply listening to this and that disc, the shows aren't the same. I'm fairly certain that this is Avesta...so I wonder what that bonus disc really is.
#3777085 by Brother_52 at 2010-01-30 12:02:55 GMT
This Avesta recording is NOT the same show as the bonus disc "Live In Sweden" and not in conflict with the Zoom release. I own the Avesta silver discs as well as the Zoom release.
From what I remember the Zoom release is from
1983-08-05 Brunnsparken,Örebro,Sweden
and is not in conflict with any of the 3 musketeers recordings which is in circulation in trading circles
Brother_52
The Mod Team
#3777819 by Blacksabfan at 2010-01-30 17:43:31 GMT
That's exactly what I already said...
#3778084 by Brother_52 at 2010-01-30 19:20:01 GMT
There is a major difference,I speak on behalf of DIME.
Several users have reported this torrent as wikipedia says the official release on Zoom has material from Avesta. If there is a conflict between this torrent and and an official release this torrent would not be allowed shared here as it could cause DIME legal problems. As the moderators see it there is no problem with this torrent running here as either is this torrent wrongly dated or wikipedia/Zoom Records have got the date for the recording on the bonus disc wrong.
And by the way, that's posted in the comments section and is public. I didn't have to go through my email to dig those out.
See my point. It would be fine if they just would concur, because the reason I made my first post was to show to others that it wasn't the same thing as the supposed official release. But, he not only ignores my post and copies the exact same information, he then goes on to say about how his expertise in Lizzy supercedes mine because he's a moderator and he speaks on "behalf of Dime". Whoopie shit. There's easier ways to agree with someone than belitting someone else's knowledge and touting your credentials.
Secondly, I would think posting a show that claims to be from a date that already has an official release would be something that could cause a legal issue. Granted we know they both aren't the same, but it's not like any lawyer or music label is going to know this. So, it seems like you're taking a risk by letting it remain on the tracker. That's fine and good, and I don't even disagree, it should be on the tracker because it's not the same show. I'm just saying it might lead to confusion, and could lead to legal trouble from those who aren't as informed about such matters. Yet, you seem to be willing to risk it in this case, but not for my case. It almost is like you just seem to pick battles how you see fit, and not whether they make sense or not. The track I posted as a different guitar solo and runs significantly longer than the official release. It's not even remotely close to being the same. Reworked to me means it's way different and should be allowed. Hell, it's more different than a lot of demos that get reworked...but yet those aren't banned. It almost seems like they enjoy picking on me when I upload stuff and overly scrutinzing it just because they don't like me making examples of them to the general public, and pointing out their mistakes and contradictions.
And yes, YOU DO MAKE THEM. Just because you're running DIME doesn't mean you're infallible.
It's that attitude above, and their resistance to apologize and correct mistakes that makes me post private email from them in a blog.
Saturday, January 30, 2010
Another download link - By request
ThinLizzyFanpage requested that I post the soundcheck from the 3/12/1983 Hammersmith Odeon gig. I initially said it would take a few days, but I found it on my hard drive and just decided to do it now, while I answered some idiotic comments on a few of my YouTube posts regarding California Jam, Nuremberg 1983, and Sabbath's performance of Smoke on the Water.
I got this from a friend of mine as .mp3 files. I don't know the exact bitrate but the files sound ok. I know people have this in lossless, so if you see this and have it in lossless, it would be appreciated if it could be posted someplace like DIME/DaD or at the Traders Den in that format. That way I could junk this link, and post something in better quality.
This includes 4 versions of Black Rose, 2 of Still In Love With You, Whiskey, The Rocker, Are You Ready, and a couple of jams. It used to have two more tracks but something happened to the CD I had this stored on awhile back and it damaged two tracks so they they were unplayable. This should really be 14 tracks but instead you're only getting 12. Another good reason someone should take the time and post this.
What is here is really good though. It's neat to hear some of the riffs played on their own.
Enjoy!
EDIT: Link removed. Someone met my request and reuploaded lossless version of the afforementioned tracks. I'll try to get a new link put here soon.
I got this from a friend of mine as .mp3 files. I don't know the exact bitrate but the files sound ok. I know people have this in lossless, so if you see this and have it in lossless, it would be appreciated if it could be posted someplace like DIME/DaD or at the Traders Den in that format. That way I could junk this link, and post something in better quality.
This includes 4 versions of Black Rose, 2 of Still In Love With You, Whiskey, The Rocker, Are You Ready, and a couple of jams. It used to have two more tracks but something happened to the CD I had this stored on awhile back and it damaged two tracks so they they were unplayable. This should really be 14 tracks but instead you're only getting 12. Another good reason someone should take the time and post this.
What is here is really good though. It's neat to hear some of the riffs played on their own.
Enjoy!
EDIT: Link removed. Someone met my request and reuploaded lossless version of the afforementioned tracks. I'll try to get a new link put here soon.
Saturday, January 23, 2010
My extremely belated Christmas present.
www.megaupload.com/?d=0BD6L697
Here's a breakdown of what the above link contains:
01 Waiting For an Alibi (Alternate Demo)
02 Dear Miss Lonely Hearts (Demo)
03 Samantha
04 What's the Matter Baby (Version 1)
05 Breakdown (Longer Version)
06 Ode to A Black Man (Demo)
07 Jamaican Rum (Demo)
08 What's the Matter Baby (Version 2)
09 Time (and Again) (Version 2)
10 He Fell Like A Soldier (Version 2)
11 Lady Loves to Dance (Demo)
12 Someone's Out To Get Ya
13 Catholic Charm
14 I Still Think of You
15 No More
16 Revolution
17 Why Don't You Call Me
18 Partner In Crime ('Acoustic Mix')
19 Lady Loves to Dance (12' version)
20 Dirty Old Town
21 Guiding Light
22 Fats (Demo)
23 Tattoo (Demo)
24 Spanish Guitar (Demo)
25 With Love (Alternate Demo)
26 Try A Little Harder (Demo)
27 Hot N' Spicy
28 Hard Times ('Dance Mix')
29 Harlem (Alternate Version)
30 Lady Loves to Dance (Mastered version)
31 Baby's Been Messin' (Snippet)
32 Bad Is Bad (Short low quality snippet)
33 Bad Is Bad (Longer Better quality snippet)
34 Talk in 79 (Snippet)
35 We Will Be Strong (Demo - Snippet)
36 Chinatown (Demo - Snippet)
37 Don't Play Around (Demo - Snippet)
38 Didn't I (Demo - Snippet)
39 Having A Good Time (Demo - Snippet)
40 Have You Heard Lately (Snippet)
41 Kill (Snippet)
42 Revolution (Robin George Version - Snippet)
43 The Story of My Life (Snippet)
All are in 256 kbps mp3 format. Too bad we probably won't get any better quality than this, but it's still nice regardless.
Here's a breakdown of what the above link contains:
01 Waiting For an Alibi (Alternate Demo)
02 Dear Miss Lonely Hearts (Demo)
03 Samantha
04 What's the Matter Baby (Version 1)
05 Breakdown (Longer Version)
06 Ode to A Black Man (Demo)
07 Jamaican Rum (Demo)
08 What's the Matter Baby (Version 2)
09 Time (and Again) (Version 2)
10 He Fell Like A Soldier (Version 2)
11 Lady Loves to Dance (Demo)
12 Someone's Out To Get Ya
13 Catholic Charm
14 I Still Think of You
15 No More
16 Revolution
17 Why Don't You Call Me
18 Partner In Crime ('Acoustic Mix')
19 Lady Loves to Dance (12' version)
20 Dirty Old Town
21 Guiding Light
22 Fats (Demo)
23 Tattoo (Demo)
24 Spanish Guitar (Demo)
25 With Love (Alternate Demo)
26 Try A Little Harder (Demo)
27 Hot N' Spicy
28 Hard Times ('Dance Mix')
29 Harlem (Alternate Version)
30 Lady Loves to Dance (Mastered version)
31 Baby's Been Messin' (Snippet)
32 Bad Is Bad (Short low quality snippet)
33 Bad Is Bad (Longer Better quality snippet)
34 Talk in 79 (Snippet)
35 We Will Be Strong (Demo - Snippet)
36 Chinatown (Demo - Snippet)
37 Don't Play Around (Demo - Snippet)
38 Didn't I (Demo - Snippet)
39 Having A Good Time (Demo - Snippet)
40 Have You Heard Lately (Snippet)
41 Kill (Snippet)
42 Revolution (Robin George Version - Snippet)
43 The Story of My Life (Snippet)
All are in 256 kbps mp3 format. Too bad we probably won't get any better quality than this, but it's still nice regardless.
Friday, January 15, 2010
nothinbutblue's YouTube Channel
Hi everyone!
I just wanted to put in my two cents on a situation involving a YouTube aquaintance of mine who goes by the user name "nothinbutblue".
If you're a big Lizzy/Lynott fan, and if you already have been reading my blog, you probably have some recollection of who he is. This user shared a few dozen EXTREMELY RARE Lizzy and Lynott tracks the last few months, including nearly all of the 1984/85 demos known to exist. Some were only snippets, (and I understand why that is) but even still, his efforts to make these tracks available to be heard by the public is very commendable. It's sad to think that some people (assholes) refuse to share these tracks because either:
A) These assholes are making money from them...or
B) These assholes are holding out (in vain) to get complete versions of certain other tracks from other equally idiotic assholes that 99.999% of all Lizzy collectors don't have yet. (Do you get why some of those were only snippets now?)
Of course, after about a month or so, a few certain people caught wind of what 'nothinbutblue' had done and decided to use the same tactics that once been used on me and successfully got him to remove all the tracks from YouTube.
I need to make a few points about this.
First off, I had spoken to 'nothinbutblue' before he posted anything on his channel. I'm not going to divulge what exactly was said as it's not right for me to just publish the contents of that message (although I have no problem doing so on my end), but I will say that he praised what I had done in posting other rare tracks and said that it was 'the right thing to do'. I feel the public needs to know this, and that 'nothinbutblue' isn't just jerking people around because he can. He just understands (as do I) the other factors you have to deal with when you post rare stuff on the internet. He took the tracks off YouTube because he felt it was the right thing for him to do. Understandable. I felt the right thing to do was to leave them up and weather the storm, risk alienation from 'the big boys' and become a pariah among other collectors of this material. Fine.
'nothinbutblue' did upload a new track late last night, and when asked about the other tracks, suggested that he would post material that would cause "less consternation". What?!
Basically, I understand the decision, but I don't agree with this mentality.
First, if it's the right thing to do (his words), then why is it okay to quit when a few people give you crap?
Also, with regards to these people who are causing consternation, do they really think people didn't make copies of the tracks from YouTube? I mean it's too late once they are up there. I can make a copy of any track I want from YouTube in the time it takes for the song to play through. It's not rocket science. It's called "audacity".
What happens if I were to take these tracks and post them on my YouTube channel? Are these people going to come after me? If they do, they aren't going to win. I won't give two shits about "their consternation". The only reason I haven't is that it puts "nothinbutblue" in a bad position.
Then again, he should of known this was coming. I'm sure he knew what I went through, and I warned him it would happen. Since I knew this, I took the liberty of copying every track he uploaded. I know others that did too. It's common sense if you're a big fan really; it's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. My only problem is that it would of been better to post them as lossless someplace else to maintain highest possible quality. People are going to get them either way, so they might as well let certain people preserve them that way. Now all we have are high-quality lossy copies, and given this "consternation", I don't expect any to be reposted in better quality anytime soon.
Lastly, I wish some of these people who are upset about 'nothinbutblue''s work would crawl out of the shadows and identify themselves, rather than being the cowardly bitches that they are. Then again, if it's the same people who came after me, then it's no surprise.
I just wanted to put in my two cents on a situation involving a YouTube aquaintance of mine who goes by the user name "nothinbutblue".
If you're a big Lizzy/Lynott fan, and if you already have been reading my blog, you probably have some recollection of who he is. This user shared a few dozen EXTREMELY RARE Lizzy and Lynott tracks the last few months, including nearly all of the 1984/85 demos known to exist. Some were only snippets, (and I understand why that is) but even still, his efforts to make these tracks available to be heard by the public is very commendable. It's sad to think that some people (assholes) refuse to share these tracks because either:
A) These assholes are making money from them...or
B) These assholes are holding out (in vain) to get complete versions of certain other tracks from other equally idiotic assholes that 99.999% of all Lizzy collectors don't have yet. (Do you get why some of those were only snippets now?)
Of course, after about a month or so, a few certain people caught wind of what 'nothinbutblue' had done and decided to use the same tactics that once been used on me and successfully got him to remove all the tracks from YouTube.
I need to make a few points about this.
First off, I had spoken to 'nothinbutblue' before he posted anything on his channel. I'm not going to divulge what exactly was said as it's not right for me to just publish the contents of that message (although I have no problem doing so on my end), but I will say that he praised what I had done in posting other rare tracks and said that it was 'the right thing to do'. I feel the public needs to know this, and that 'nothinbutblue' isn't just jerking people around because he can. He just understands (as do I) the other factors you have to deal with when you post rare stuff on the internet. He took the tracks off YouTube because he felt it was the right thing for him to do. Understandable. I felt the right thing to do was to leave them up and weather the storm, risk alienation from 'the big boys' and become a pariah among other collectors of this material. Fine.
'nothinbutblue' did upload a new track late last night, and when asked about the other tracks, suggested that he would post material that would cause "less consternation". What?!
Basically, I understand the decision, but I don't agree with this mentality.
First, if it's the right thing to do (his words), then why is it okay to quit when a few people give you crap?
Also, with regards to these people who are causing consternation, do they really think people didn't make copies of the tracks from YouTube? I mean it's too late once they are up there. I can make a copy of any track I want from YouTube in the time it takes for the song to play through. It's not rocket science. It's called "audacity".
What happens if I were to take these tracks and post them on my YouTube channel? Are these people going to come after me? If they do, they aren't going to win. I won't give two shits about "their consternation". The only reason I haven't is that it puts "nothinbutblue" in a bad position.
Then again, he should of known this was coming. I'm sure he knew what I went through, and I warned him it would happen. Since I knew this, I took the liberty of copying every track he uploaded. I know others that did too. It's common sense if you're a big fan really; it's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. My only problem is that it would of been better to post them as lossless someplace else to maintain highest possible quality. People are going to get them either way, so they might as well let certain people preserve them that way. Now all we have are high-quality lossy copies, and given this "consternation", I don't expect any to be reposted in better quality anytime soon.
Lastly, I wish some of these people who are upset about 'nothinbutblue''s work would crawl out of the shadows and identify themselves, rather than being the cowardly bitches that they are. Then again, if it's the same people who came after me, then it's no surprise.
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